Side Arm for Grizzly Country

[VLD Pilot]

Lots of 10mm love...it still doesn't compare to a .44.

If you have a .357 now and are comfortable with it I'd use it. Going to be as effective as a 10mm. If you think the chances of needing it are high I would strongly consider a .44.

10mm offers much greater firepower(15 rds) and alot better shot on target ratio than any wheel gun. Shoot what makes you feel the most confident.

 

[VLD Pilot]

Good stuff.

My thoughts. Significantly less recoil is directly related to significantly less power/energy. Just like if you put a .22 LR in a video next to a 10mm. Training will overcome a lot of recoil management issues but it takes training. So train less and us an inferior caliber is what most people seem to favor. Ohh well.
Significantly less recoil is directly related to significantly less power/energy. Just like if you put a .22 LR in a video next to a 10mm. Training will overcome a lot of recoil management issues but it takes training. So train less and us an inferior caliber is what most people seem to favor. Ohh well.

10mm 220 grain, it actually gets to 1200 fps out of a G20 (it's not gonna get there out of a G29) is only 700 ft/lbs of energy. I think anyone here would say that's not enough for an ethical long range shot, but somehow the argument is that's plenty for defense of your life against some of the largest game in North America when it's hacked off? Does not compute.

Buffalo bore .44 340 grain is advertised at 1,425 fps but even at 1,300 you're at 1,300 ft lbs of energy. Basically two to one when compared to 10mm so even if you don't train a lot all you have to do is get one shot of .44 on target for every two on target the 10mm gets and you are gonna tie at worst. But really that first hit on an actual bear is going to mean way more than any follow up hits...if you get that chance.

I challenge any average Joe to a timed run with my .44 against their 10mm where they get two shots of to my one either straight run or from a holster. Just name the target size and distance.

Alaska is along way to offer up a challenge

 

[VLD Pilot]

One question, why didn't you pick a real .44 bullet for comparison

Better question. Why didn't he pick a real 10mm round for bear defense.

 

[VLD Pilot]

Something for the Glock guys; if the pistol is actually pushed against the bear, will the action still cycle? I have heard this, but never owned a Glock and not sure how you would safely test this anyway. Sig supposedly will cycle. Don't know why they would be different though. I'm not very knowledgable on semi-autos in general although my ARs are proving to be a good investment. Holy smokes the prices are high.

No. It'll be out of battery so will not fire. If things got that close tho, it wouldn't matter. I wouldn't push the gun hard against my head before I pulled the trigger.

 

[Pdvdh]

No. It'll be out of battery so will not fire. If things got that close tho, it wouldn't matter. I wouldn't push the gun hard against my head before I pulled the trigger.

Then an acquaintance of mine would have died during his brown bear mauling if he'd been carrying a semi-auto pistol, because his face was in the boars jaws when he shoved his S&W .44 Mag into the underside of the boar and emptied it as fast as he could.
He survived only because of the reliability of a revolver. He had reconstructive surgery, and looks pretty good, for having had most of the bones in his face crushed.

 

[sp6x6]

4'' 44 always on the go low slung,both carry.Sherm that attack this year was about 20 min from my place gated road,people there everyweekend.Its only mile or so past Frolth course,and hike ing trails for wfish.They are expanding that and a nice deal for problems.Was looking for black bear and saw 9 grizz there last spring.Hippies had bus with cooler dog and food out.Sow G w/two was headed that way.I called F&G,and let them know,been there way past 14 days. My best day saw 13 G bear when younger. If you been in Mt some time my guess is you know or have heard of conflicts.Funny thing is most I heard of involved '06.One my good hunting buds has been stalked by cats 3 times,my son one.I tell him the back of his head looks like a does end. Ive had two G bear beat me to my elk kill when long shot,and others show up later for a free meal.

 

[L.Sherm]

I know Shawn, I was sent a pic of one a guy got on his game camera in June, it was in Dern Draw about 3 miles from my house they will be in my back yard anytime in there not already.

 

[L.Sherm]

Rhodes Draw last fall.

 

[Pdvdh]

I know Shawn, I was sent a pic of one a guy got on his game camera in June, it was in Dern Draw about 3 miles from my house they will be in my back yard anytime in there not already.

Keep your cylinders fully loaded!

 

[L.Sherm]

They are trust me

 

[VLD Pilot]

Then an acquaintance of mine would have died during his brown bear mauling if he'd been carrying a semi-auto pistol, because his face was in the boars jaws when he shoved his S&W .44 Mag into the underside of the boar and emptied it as fast as he could.
He survived only because of the reliability of a revolver. He had reconstructive surgery, and looks pretty good, for having had most of the bones in his face crushed.

Wasn't his day to leave this earth thankfully and I hope he made a full recovery. I was kidding about putting myself out of my misery if things got that bad. That's a bad scenario but I wouldn't change a thing based on that story. The 10mm is the best choose for bear country for me. Can't speak for all but for me it's hands down the best choice for bear defense. Controversial subject, YES. It's why I say use what makes you feel safe and confident. I do.

 

[Pdvdh]

I know Shawn, I was sent a pic of one a guy got on his game camera in June, it was in Dern Draw about 3 miles from my house they will be in my back yard anytime in there not already.

That's a pic out of a nightmare. Bear in your face!

 

[sp6x6]

Took a picture off this one while out

 

[VLD Pilot]

I think you are missing the point - your 44 isnt going to take the bears legs out from under it unless you hit it in the brain. A 10mm is just as capable penetrating the skull to the brain as a 44 is. Energy is irrelevant when we are talking about a head shot. So the question is can I hit a bowling ball rolling down the hill at me with a full mag in my 10mm before you can hit it with your .44. Its not a 2 for 1 deal - that is fake news. Its one good shot out of a 10mm or 44 that makes it to the brain. If you are thinking you are going to double lung a brown bear to prevent an attack you are kidding yourself...

Maybe more capable. Definitely going to put more rounds in that bowling ball with the 10mm. Your spot on. Energy means nothing.