When are gun manufacturers going to get it?

I hear what you are saying, I have decided going forward to purchase a Custom action, pre-fit barrel, stock of choice along with bottom metal and trigger and build it myself. We are very fortunate here in the USA, we have so many custom manufacturers for actions, barrels, triggers stocks, etc. In reality, the ones on this forum anyways, we really have no need for manufacturers. Those of us that are mechanically inclined, but do not have a Lathe, can piece our own rifle together and build ourselves. You also have the advantage to send off your action to a Barrel manufacturer like Hart and have them thread a barrel and setup to your spec's. We are very lucky in our lifetime to have this many options for building a Rifle of our choice, my grandparents and even my parents did not have this luxury. The Bergara I purchased earlier this year is the last mass manufactured rifle I plan to purchase, my next will be built only to my standards. I do have a couple of other rifles in my safe, a Ruger and Winchester that I plan to re-barrel with Hart and swap out the stock and trigger. I have been wanting a 6.5-284 thinking of converting one of these or may just purchase an action and build it new.
 
There's a lot going on in your original post, but let me try to explain this. First off, just because there's a lot of high BC, long range bullets out there doesn't mean everyone knows about them, knows what they even are, or will ever shoot them. Most hunters won't benefit from a 1-8 twist 7mm Rem Mag when they're shooting factory Winchester 150gr ammo. I go to a public range often, most of these guys don't even know how to sight their rifle in, they rest the barrel on the front rest instead of the forearm, and they're happy if they hit the target somewhere near the center.

To further add to this, SAAMI specs control everything major manufacturers do. Also, manufacturers can't just up and change to all their ammo and rifles for well known chamberings being made for long range bullets. You have to remember all the 50+ year old rifles out their in 7mm Rem Mag, .270, .300 Win Mag, etc. Those rifles were all designed for old school bullets and all the SAAMI specs are designed around that. You can't load 180gr Berger's in factory 7mm Rem Mag ammo and sell it on the shelf at cabelas and Walmart. People with the old school rifles will complain and have issues since their rifles aren't designed for that. You have to make ammo that will be safe and function in all guns that are chambered in that cartridge. Then you run into the issues of trying to explain and justify to people that there's now "old" 7mm Rem Mag ammo and "new" 7mm Rem Mag ammo. That's very confusing and impossible logistically. So the only way around this is to bring out new cartridges with similar performance as old ones, but designed from the ground up to shoot heavy for caliber bullets and have fast twist rates. That's how the 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, 300 PRC, etc have come about and gained popularity. Or you could reload your own ammo and have a fast twist barrel installed on a factory rifle. That's the only way to do what you want to do.
 
What @Jud96 said. All the good ole boys at my job who consider themselves gun guys didn't realize what MOA was. They thought it was scope speak for inches. I've heard the sight it in 1", 2", 3" at 100 yards and you'll be good out to 500 regardless of the caliber so many times that it makes me nauseous. Lol

I would say that 95% of shooter see a gun, find out it's cartridge, and slap some kind of sight on it then go shoot anywhere from 25-100 yards. Speaking of sights, the sightmark is the same as EOTech argument is quite funny too.

Another example, I have a close friend who would consider himself a gun guy and was a gunner with a M240B in AFG. He asked for advice on a beginner long range / deer rifle and I recommended a .308 Winchester. He replied back with, "yeah, but is it as powerful as the 7.62x51?"

My point is that cool, optimized rifles / cartridge combinations from the factory would be awesome. But the vast majority of people either don't care, don't understand, or a combination of the two. Gun manufacturers cater to those people because they are the majority and manufacturers can capitalize on making things easy and relatively universal.

My post makes me sound like a pretentious pri ck. I promise I'm not. It's just funny the myths and misunderstandings that have stood the tests of time and that's what influences people's decision making and drives manufacturers to produce what they produce.
 
What @Jud96 said. All the good ole boys at my job who consider themselves gun guys didn't realize what MOA was. They thought it was scope speak for inches. I've heard the sight it in 1", 2", 3" at 100 yards and you'll be good out to 500 regardless of the caliber so many times that it makes me nauseous. Lol

I would say that 95% of shooter see a gun, find out it's cartridge, and slap some kind of sight on it then go shoot anywhere from 25-100 yards. Speaking of sights, the sightmark is the same as EOTech argument is quite funny too.

Another example, I have a close friend who would consider himself a gun guy and was a gunner with a M240B in AFG. He asked for advice on a beginner long range / deer rifle and I recommended a .308 Winchester. He replied back with, "yeah, but is it as powerful as the 7.62x51?"

My point is that cool, optimized rifles / cartridge combinations from the factory would be awesome. But the vast majority of people either don't care, don't understand, or a combination of the two. Gun manufacturers cater to those people because they are the majority and manufacturers can capitalize on making things easy and relatively universal.

My post makes me sound like a pretentious pri ck. I promise I'm not. It's just funny the myths and misunderstandings that have stood the tests of time.
I agree with this 100%. These are my exact experiences with most "gun guys". Also I love going to the range with any long range rifle and I'm always asked if it's a 308? Haha
 
I agree with this 100%. These are my exact experiences with most "gun guys". Also I love going to the range with any long range rifle and I'm always asked if it's a 308? Haha

Or .300 win mag.
 
Met a guy that said he would never buy another gun from scheels because they sighted it in for him and he missed a deer at 100 yards with it after buying a rifle and scope for about 1000 bucks.
Point being, lot of guys don't even know how to sight in a gun....many don't even know what twist rate is.
Inch high at 100 and let her buck!!!!!
Guy probably couldn't hit the side of a barn with a shotgun.
 
Why can't the major manufacturers get it right? Better B.C. bullets in all calibers and fast twist barrels and better length barrels. I mean come on. 20" creedmoor barrel should be threaded for a CAN. What do you think they are gonna put on it. Stop calling it a western long-range hunter or a long-range hunter when you build a 300 win mag with a 24-in or even worse 22-in barrel go ahead and put on a 26-in minimum threaded with a one and nine, one and eight twist. When are they going to get it? What are your guy's thoughts? Am I asking for too much? I mean the prices keep going up but I can't buy what I want without having it custom built which is what I have to do.
They will never get it they manufacture guns for PROFIT not sportsman's usability!
 
Met a guy that said he would never buy another gun from scheels because they sighted it in for him and he missed a deer at 100 yards with it after buying a rifle and scope for about 1000 bucks.
Point being, lot of guys don't even know how to sight in a gun....many don't even know what twist rate is.
Inch high at 100 and let her buck!!!!!
Yeah, once a year break out the 10 year old box of ammo, a few shots off the bench at a 100 yards and let-er-rip tater chip. ;-) is likely the norm. hahahahaha
 
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