Kids rifle build suggestions

I was with you till the .243. I would have to believe that is pour bullet choice or some other issues as living in Michigan were we don't have to shoot far. I've seen more deer taken with a .243 than any other. Most don't go far. Speed kills.
I personally tend to lean towards the lightest recoil possible. Let them learn correctly without recoil.
I like the .308 reduced load idea. Never thought of that.
I would still lean towards the 6mm arc or Grendel simple for the same reason I moved from the blk. More distance. Taken several deer and hogs at just over 400 with the 6.5 Grendel with no issues
 
I'm not going to tell you what I think you should do, but I will tell you what I know. When my girls were little we were in a deer club in South Arkansas with 15 other families. Most of the wives and all of the kids hunted. Most of the kids went from observer to shooter in the 5-7 range. Usually on any given morning there were 4-6 kids hunting. The weapon of choice at the time was a .243. We had a lot of deer and most mornings a couple would get a shot, so we got a lot of experience. Here's what we learned, and no one really wants to admit or face it, but it is fact. These kids are going to get some bad hits. No matter how much you practice with them it is the same. They will shake, jerk the trigger, and just aim in the wrong place. It will happen. Every morning we would come in, eat breakfast, form a posse, get the dogs and go look for the kids deer. We found with a .243 and 100gr bullets the actual kill/retrieve rate was around 50%. This is with good hunters and dogs. I did find a way to make it much more effective, and it sounds nuts. My girls were shooting a .243 with a MB. I loaded some 55gr Ballistic tips over 4K. Recoil similar to a .22LR. Most shots were under 50yds. Wait until the deer is perfectly broadside and let it rip. The result on a lungshot was almost always DRT. Gutshot they would usually go less than 100 yards and lay down. If they shot a deer and it ran off, we would just slip out of there and come back in 3-4 hours. Usually would find him dead nearby. Got everyone shooting that load. Retrieval rate ran up to over 90%. Then I took a 700 VSF in .308. Cut the barrel to 22" and added a break. Restocked it in ADL style to fit the girls. Seems like they were about 10 at the time. Loaded 165 Gamekings and SST's. Recoil less than an unbraked .243. Never need the dogs again and never lost another. To me the ridicule from Mama for being "Too Stupid" to find the kid's deer, and the disapointment on the kids face just isn't worth it with the little guns. We got rid of them as soon as they could possibly handle more. Meanwhile, consider the very high velocity approach. It works very well on deer as long as you never let them take a shot other than broadside. To me the little rifles are just like a .410 shotgun. Deadly and fun in a great shooter's hands. They can both be a source of frustration to a beginner. Success breeds lifelong hunters.
 
What do you guys think about the action. How much weight is shaved off with titanium vs a standard action. Is it worth the money? If it's not I have a custom 6.8 spc ii in a cheap axis I can cut down for the 6 year old to use.
 
About 10-12 ounces

defiance anti gets you almost there for cheaper since it's a milled out steel instead of titanium
 
Howa makes a mini action, so I would look into that action to run a 6 Dasher in. The Dasher will give a bit more oomph to the 6mm bullets, and with an 8 twist, you can run about a 108 grain bullet. If you can't get the action by itself, then go for the 6.5 Grendel rifle.
 
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I have killed hundreds of deer over the past 50 years with about everything from a sharp stick to a 45-70 and if I had to pick just one caliber for a kid I guess it would be the 6.5 Grendel. In "normal" times good factory ammo is available. Very little in a bolt rifle to no recoil from an AR with a muzzle device brake. For varmints a 95 gr V-Max can easily get 2650 fps from a 16" barrel and depends on how big your deer are if in the 100 to 180 pound on the hoof range you could get by with just the 90 gr Speer TNT for varmint and deer. 100 to 123 gr bullets just over 2400 fps are effective on deer waaaaaaaaaaay out there. I have killed deer with the 120 Sierra Pro Hunter and Speer Gold Dot running them 2500 to 2550 fps from 18" and 20" barrels in ARs and they kill great. I like the 120 Gold Dot the best. There are a couple factory bolt rifles made in the 6.5 Grendel Rugger and I can't remember the other if you want to go that way.
 
Scoped and loaded a smidge under 10lbs...with a Leupold LRP on it that CS stock is a pig for weight mine was 45 oz ...and the Remington CM action was heavy too...
 
Based on recent experiences, I would recommend a Howa Mini in 223 re barreled to 6X45 (6/223) because it is simple and cheap to get into, accurate and versatile for what you mentioned and low recoil. The HACT two stage trigger is also a very good hunting trigger for your applications. Check it out.
 
If you reload my vote is 243 Ackley Improved. My daughter is 9 years old and has no issue shooting it. Light recoil and she is shooting a 80gr Barnes TTSX at over 3500 fps. Super accurate. Wide variety of bullets for both varmints and deer.
 
What do you guys think about the action. How much weight is shaved off with titanium vs a standard action. Is it worth the money? If it's not I have a custom 6.8 spc ii in a cheap axis I can cut down for the 6 year old to use.
That sounds like a plan to me. When they get to the age that they will be hunting by themselves in a couple of years, it will be time for a bigger gun anyway. You go through it all over again when they start hunting by themselves. Shot selection becomes an issue with most of them for a couple of seasons. Different when Daddy or Mom not there to coach, but they soon decide what they were taught all along was the right way. Mine did anyway.
 
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