Brass problem or normal?

[DartonJager]

Was full length resizing my 35 Remington brass using my Redding FLR die. Set up exactly as instructions state and the die is failing to size the last 0.180" of the case. Are using a Redding shell holder and a RCBS Rockchucker Supreme press.
Brass is 1x fired Hornady I bought new. Brass measured using Hornady Head space gauge and case measure 1.557" before sizing and 1.555 after. This die has always bumped back the shoulder on my 35 Rem brass with amazing consistency 0.002". This will be only their second reloading.

I then used my RCBS FL die and RCBS shell holder and it left the SAME exact last 0.180" of brass untouched. I also measured my RCBS, Redding, Lee and Lyman shell holders and they all were with in 0.005" +/- of each other.

Is my solution to take shell holder and use a belt sander to remove as close to the 0.180" as I can as I have read suggested to others with a similar problem? I have more than a few shell holders for 35 Remington so I'm not concerned about ruining one.

These were fired in and are for my Marlin 336A lever actions and I am very concerned about getting one stuck in the chamber.
I have included a picture of the case.

 

[Deleted member 115654]

Normal. Have you tried them in your 336 ?

 

[antelopedundee]

I don't think it's possible to remove .18 inch from a shell holder and still have any shell holder left.

 

[DartonJager]

No I did not I just never noticed such a pronounced difference in and amount of sized and unsized brass.
But I forgot to add I am now using SST pins to clean my brass VS crushed walnut husk so my brass is VERY shiny.
I always cycle EVERY piece of resized brass through every rifle reload for, just was hesitating this time due to concerns of getting one stuck and not being able to remove it.
Saw a guy do exactly that with his reloads to a Marlin 336A in 30/30 at my private range. I had read that the lever action couldn't exert enough force to jam a improperly or insufficiently re-sized cartridge in the chamber before you are supposed to experience so much resistance you will realize something is amiss and stop trying to chamber the round before its to late.

I spoke to him some days later and he said he ended up having to take it to a smith who in tern had to disassemble the rifle drill and tap the case to remove it. Cost him over $200. Told me he was neck sizing only his 30/30 brass and it cost him. Made a VERY lasting impression on me.

 

[DartonJager]

I don't think it's possible to remove .18 inch from a shell holder and still have any shell holder left.

Now that you mention it I realize you are correct. The actual portion of shell holder that sits above the ram on my Redding #1 SH measured 0.5" so removing 0.180 would be far to much.

 

[DartonJager]

All right then will proceed with my reloading as always and test cycle each piece of brass. Should;ve known if two different makers dies gave the same exact results it was all most certainly normal.

Live and learn.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Ace Quackhunter]

Was full length resizing my 35 Remington brass using my Redding FLR die. Set up exactly as instructions state and the die is failing to size the last 0.180" of the case. Are using a Redding shell holder and a RCBS Rockchucker Supreme press.
Brass is 1x fired Hornady I bought new. Brass measured using Hornady Head space gauge and case measure 1.557" before sizing and 1.555 after. This die has always bumped back the shoulder on my 35 Rem brass with amazing consistency 0.002". This will be only their second reloading.

I then used my RCBS FL die and RCBS shell holder and it left the SAME exact last 0.180" of brass untouched. I also measured my RCBS, Redding, Lee and Lyman shell holders and they all were with in 0.005" +/- of each other.

Is my solution to take shell holder and use a belt sander to remove as close to the 0.180" as I can as I have read suggested to others with a similar problem? I have more than a few shell holders for 35 Remington so I'm not concerned about ruining one.

These were fired in and are for my Marlin 336A lever actions and I am very concerned about getting one stuck in the chamber.
I have included a picture of the case.

Use a small base die

 

[Deleted member 115654]

Use a small base die

Great idea ! After a few reloads he'll get a case separation that will really tie up his rifle.
He has not even tried them in his rifle !

 

[Deleted member 115654]

No I did not I just never noticed such a pronounced difference in and amount of sized and unsized brass.
But I forgot to add I am now using SST pins to clean my brass VS crushed walnut husk so my brass is VERY shiny.
I always cycle EVERY piece of resized brass through every rifle reload for, just was hesitating this time due to concerns of getting one stuck and not being able to remove it.
Saw a guy do exactly that with his reloads to a Marlin 336A in 30/30 at my private range. I had read that the lever action couldn't exert enough force to jam a improperly or insufficiently re-sized cartridge in the chamber before you are supposed to experience so much resistance you will realize something is amiss and stop trying to chamber the round before its to late.

I spoke to him some days later and he said he ended up having to take it to a smith who in tern had to disassemble the rifle drill and tap the case to remove it. Cost him over $200. Told me he was neck sizing only his 30/30 brass and it cost him. Made a VERY lasting impression on me.

He was had. Pull the lever screw. Drop the lever out, which unlocks the bolt. Get a piece of drill rod. Drive the case out from the muzzle.

 

[Deleted member 115654]

FYI as the 35 Rem is RIMLESS, grinding the shell holder will prevent proper headspacing.
Case separation is "very bad".

 

[DartonJager]

He was had. Pull the lever screw. Drop the lever out, which unlocks the bolt. Get a piece of drill rod. Drive the case out from the muzzle.

Precisely what I was thinking, as that is how I disassemble my 336's to clean them. I no BS wondered to myself why he didn't first try using a 5/16" (0.3125" VS 0.358" barrel) steel rod he could buy from a big box hardware store to knock the stuck round out. I didn't say anything because I didn't want to offend him.

 

[DartonJager]

FYI as the 35 Rem is RIMLESS, grinding the shell holder will prevent proper headspacing.
Case separation is "very bad".

Thanks for the education. Completely forgot that about the 35 Remington.

 

[MagnumManiac]

The simple fact is that the solid part of the case head doesn't get sized...no matter what type of die you are using. A small base die can cause other issues if it is NOT NEEDED.
If the case is tight in the chamber, soot/permanent marker the bottom half of the case and chamber it and see where it rubs off.
Then determine by MEASURING .200" up from the case head whether the case is grossly larger than the die will size. If it is, then a small base die will be necessary, if it isn't size the case a bit more by camming over on the press slightly.
Hope this gets you out of trouble.

Cheers.

 

[LoneTraveler]

Take a magic marker and coat the neck of an unsized case. Then run it through the die. Check, measure and compare the amount of unsized neck to unsized body of the case. This would tell if the headspace would be changed. Do you have the die coming firmly in contact with the shell holder when the press breaks over?
May want to pour a casting of the chamber and compare.
Something is out of spec. on the chamber or the die by .180