VLD Pilot
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Certainly the ballistics of the 130 isn't the best but it's tough to beat the over all accuracy of it.
So Will the .270 Win Overtake the CM's and PRC's?
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Muddyboots
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I have been impressed with the 150 ABLR accuracy so far out of 24" and have not gotten to final load yet. I bet it won't equal the 130 BT but get close enough when considering I only plan to use it out to 400-500 tops. This is in a 52 year old walnut stock 110C that I bought new in 68 so the wood aspect will probably always be limiting factor. The magazine actually has pretty good COAL so I can load out to be 0.010 if I choose to do so and still have decent case capacity. That is 1968 not 1868 for any wise guys.
OK for those guys who read this BEFORE I saw the need to edit my rifle is not 502 years old when I bought it NEW! So I removed the zero to be certain there wasn't any confusion...
OK for those guys who read this BEFORE I saw the need to edit my rifle is not 502 years old when I bought it NEW! So I removed the zero to be certain there wasn't any confusion...
VLD Pilot
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So 52 not 502 years old ??? U know I couldn't help myself.I have been impressed with the 150 ABLR accuracy so far out of 24" and have not gotten to final load yet. I bet it won't equal the 130 BT but get close enough when considering I only plan to use it out to 400-500 tops. This is in a 52 year old walnut stock 110C that I bought new in 68 so the wood aspect will probably always be limiting factor. The magazine actually has pretty good COAL so I can load out to be 0.010 if I choose to do so and still have decent case capacity. That is 1968 not 1868 for any wise guys.
OK for those guys who read this BEFORE I saw the need to edit my rifle is not 502 years old when I bought it NEW! So I removed the zero to be certain there wasn't any confusion...
Nomosendero
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Or you could build a 270 Wea. with a 1-8 barrel for a hunting rifle, many great options out there.
Muddyboots
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VLD: OK, doesn't quite hurt as bad coming from someone in MI! I knew I was going to take a hit one way or another though!!
VLD Pilot
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Ah I see another Michiganian. Nice
So what do we have? A Long action, 26"+ barrels, faster twist barrels, high BC heavy bullets, low recoil, brass CHEAP, brass neck is wonderful for longer higher BC bullets, RL26 pixie dust, every manufacturer has a .270 in current configuration of 1:10 BUT with advent of the higher BC bullets, heavier and need for faster twist barrels, is this the next NEW caliber to win over everybody?
Heck, my 24" sporter barrel is shooting 150 ABLR at 3075 fps with RL26 with absolutely no pressure so what will a 26"+ do with faster twist for heavier higher BC bullets? Recoil is actually pleasant and can shoot all day for probably anyone. The downrange ballistics are pretty darn good with the higher velocity, higher BC, heavier bullets that the .270 Win can actually do with faster twist and RL26 pixie dust.
So what do you think? Does the old girl have a chance? I do. Then again, Hornady has not branded it as a CM or PRC so probably no chance
This is my next build!
No offence, but not a chance in hell: .270 bore is a bore size but as a hunting cartridge! , It is no equal or better match as a LR round and just to compete even closely or equal the 6.5, 7mm & .30 cal. bores, BC & SD's performances you would have to use bullets equally or heavier then the heaviest available for 7mm, which would put your cartridge on a .45-70/.308 Win. rainbow trajectory at those ranges, no matter how big the case volume or how long your brl is! Granted: the 6.5 bore is ideally maxed out with the 6.5-284, 6.5-06, 6.5x55AI and most definitely with the new 6.5GAP or the new 6.5PRC case, which is still too new to tell the full story! Forget about the .270 Nosler or SIG's 6.8 Fury: unless we get free access to these new SIG powders, which would change the whole ballistics scenario for all calibers: anything bigger in case volume is just resulting in torched brl's throats & bores in a very short timespan, without gaining worthwhile velocity increases or ft/lbs and the equal lessons should be drawn for the .270 bore, where a .270Win. or at best a .270WSM case are the abosolute max! Just my 2 cents worth of 45 yrs as a gunmaker!
VLD Pilot
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It's not the cartridge that's not capable of the job, it's the fact that nobody wants to offer bullets for LR work. Berger only offers one and it's pretty much equal to the .284/162 grain bullets ballistically speaking. If the .308 can compete in 600/1000 yard matches, certainly the .270 w/170 Berger's can do even better. It just hasn't caught on and probably never will.
NielsC
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We all know that most all of this caliber stuff is marketing. I have hunted for years shooting deer and elk at up to 500 yards with one bullet in my 270. Not because I am a great shot, but because I put in the practice time before I hunt. So nothing wrong with chasing calibers, if that is what you chose to do. But there is no miracle caliber, spend a little money on training and practice and you will be much happier. The .270 is hard to beat as a hunting caliber.
Upsidedownjack
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Have dropped "Many" many Elk with the 270. Using the 150 gr nosier BT. And more than My share of mule deer. A few dogs, and even a grass rat or two.
montana west
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I am sure the 270 weatherby is very very little gain over the 270 winchester and weatherby uses 26 inch Bbls and very high pressure wihch is not good for accuracy.
That good old cartridge already has like 95 years of popularity on the prc and creedmoors!!!So what do we have? A Long action, 26"+ barrels, faster twist barrels, high BC heavy bullets, low recoil, brass CHEAP, brass neck is wonderful for longer higher BC bullets, RL26 pixie dust, every manufacturer has a .270 in current configuration of 1:10 BUT with advent of the higher BC bullets, heavier and need for faster twist barrels, is this the next NEW caliber to win over everybody?
Heck, my 24" sporter barrel is shooting 150 ABLR at 3075 fps with RL26 with absolutely no pressure so what will a 26"+ do with faster twist for heavier higher BC bullets? Recoil is actually pleasant and can shoot all day for probably anyone. The downrange ballistics are pretty darn good with the higher velocity, higher BC, heavier bullets that the .270 Win can actually do with faster twist and RL26 pixie dust.
So what do you think? Does the old girl have a chance? I do. Then again, Hornady has not branded it as a CM or PRC so probably no chance
This is my next build!
That old gal already has like 95 years of popularity on the other 2 cartridge classes! It's kinda like humans after awhile you just don't care what is too cool or popular. If you go by cartridge and gun sales I'm sure it'll be hard to equal just like the 06!!So what do we have? A Long action, 26"+ barrels, faster twist barrels, high BC heavy bullets, low recoil, brass CHEAP, brass neck is wonderful for longer higher BC bullets, RL26 pixie dust, every manufacturer has a .270 in current configuration of 1:10 BUT with advent of the higher BC bullets, heavier and need for faster twist barrels, is this the next NEW caliber to win over everybody?
Heck, my 24" sporter barrel is shooting 150 ABLR at 3075 fps with RL26 with absolutely no pressure so what will a 26"+ do with faster twist for heavier higher BC bullets? Recoil is actually pleasant and can shoot all day for probably anyone. The downrange ballistics are pretty darn good with the higher velocity, higher BC, heavier bullets that the .270 Win can actually do with faster twist and RL26 pixie dust.
So what do you think? Does the old girl have a chance? I do. Then again, Hornady has not branded it as a CM or PRC so probably no chance
This is my next build!
Another Casual
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To build on that, theres no longer range factory .270 win ammo (and few 270 bullets) because the factory twist rates won't support it. There's nothing inherently wrong with the caliber, but when all the rifles are sold for 130-150gr soft points you're not going to find companies spending R&D on high BC loads. Additionally, there aren't many other mainstream rounds using this bore diameter to merit more bullet development. The Hornady precision hunter 145 eld-x and Barne's 129 LRX are the only long range factory offerings I can think of. 270 WSM seems destined for handloaders as well.
The hand loaders and wild-cat builders of this forum are in the minority, most people buy a rifle off the shelf and factory ammo. If you want selection you need to go where the crowds are, and right now that's .224, 6mm, 6.5mm, 7mm, .308. I think 280ai is the closest modern iteration you'll find for the 270 win as far as long range and selection goes.
That being said the 270 is still a wonderful round capable of filling many freezers, but its not currently suited for long range factory offerings. You can always build a fast twist 270 or 270WSM, just make sure it is setup for the existing bullets and buy enough to shoot the barrel out.
If you stay around long enough you see how things have a way of coming back around. Back in the day as we like to say the F Class guys necked down the 284 to 6.5 and 6.5 284 ruled long range shooting. Now with the addition of several super high bc 284 bullets the 284 has made a comeback. So much so that guys are now necking up 6.5 284 brass since straight 284 can be hard to find. The 270 has always lacked for high bc bullets. That is changing so who knows. Stick around long enough you just might see the 270 make a comeback. As it is its a fine hunting round for medium game. In fact out to " normal " hunting ranges it smokes the creedmoor. I doubt it will ever gain such wide acceptance but at least these new bullets will make sure it sticks around.
