It's been funny to see the progression. Once upon a time the hide was a cesspool of idiocy and toxicity. These days it's the most fact-based and civil site regarding precision rifles. Still a fair share of morons, but much better. It's tame in comparison to what people get away with saying on many other forums that once held themselves to be bastions of civility. I'm not surprised to hear kywindbag has been banned.
Is Tangent Theta worth the $ over NF?
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Yeah what about it. He told losers to go away so what.Anyone contemplating buying a TT should read this thread:
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/should-i-buy-a-tangent-theta.6875578/
You can quit when you get to:
"How does that guy ever sell anything?"
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Mmmmm, lets go back to post #95. So this dude is just trying to sell his TTs so don't listen to him. But you shouldn't listen to him because he doesn't care about selling TT?"This dude" is going to make a big chunk of change off every TT he sells. And he's not the only one trying to sell things here.
I sell nothing, except every few years I sell a used scope to a friend, usually more as a favor to them than because I needed to get rid of it.
Look, I'm sure TT are great scopes, but I seriously doubt that, all things considered, such as reliability/durability, reticle choice, glass quality, illumination and likely company longevity, they are anywhere as good as a NF, either as a tool or as an investment.
TT's have great turrets? That's wonderful, but I have no complaints about my NF turrets whatsoever.
TT's have great clarity? That's wonderful, but NF's ED glass is eye-popping, and it usually doesn't matter much anyway because of the heat waves.
TT's have great color? Wonderful, but so do NF's, and I'm not trying to photograph cardinals with my scopes anyway.
There is one other aspect to the OP's question that has not been discussed, but bears consideration. I own a bunch of NF's but only a couple that I bought new. Why? Because there are so many people selling lightly used scopes on the various forums (not just NF, but S&B, US Optics, Kahles and every other popular brand), and NF warranties their scopes regardless of who sends it in. I have to be careful who I buy from, but so long as I do that I save a ton of money over buying new.
So that means that if I ever did want to sell one of my NF's, I could get all or nearly all my money back. You buy a new TT and you're going to lose at least a thousand dollars on it if it turns out you need to sell it.
So as far as I'm concerned, it is a pig in a poke, and a very expensive one at that.
Now, if someone (who isn't a vendor -- just a shooter) can show me with targets how switching from a NF to some other brand will tighten my groups up, I'm all ears.
But I know it isn't going to be a TT because, like I said, they offer no fine reticles. You learn to appreciate a fine reticle when the object is to pop a prairie dog at 500 yards, and it doesn't count unless you make a first shot DRT kill.
You wanna hit a big steel plate at LR? A 3-15 with a fat, FFP reticle works okay. But I shoot for extreme precision. Don't always achieve it, but that is always the goal. Nothing I have ever seen rivals a NF Comp for that, and the MOART ATACR's are a close second.
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504 yds lasered. Vehicle can barely be seen in the distance.
@KY_Windage the issue is pretty apparent that you have difficulty interpreting what's written in text within the context that it's written, and your perspective is pretty myopic. I liked the post because it was hilarious. It was a reduction to the absurd...which clearly this has become. You've done nothing but get defensive, go on tirades, and try to pick/win a fight over the internet.
Plenty of people like SFP optics. They have a role, especially for ELR/Benchrest, and in LPVOs for engagements within the MPBR of a cartridge (can be pushed further if you understand the reticle and it's subtensions). FFP optics also have a role. If you're going to use a scope as an efficient tool then IMO, FFP is wayyyyyyy better. You're entitled to your opinion and preferences, but they are just that. You're opinions and preferences.
@orkan is a good guy. Anybody who has ever actually talked to him would know that. Yes, he makes a living selling alpha grade equipment and instructing training classes. So what? What's the problem with that? Frankly, it's an envious livelihood. Yes, he has his opinions but clearly we all do.
Plenty of people like SFP optics. They have a role, especially for ELR/Benchrest, and in LPVOs for engagements within the MPBR of a cartridge (can be pushed further if you understand the reticle and it's subtensions). FFP optics also have a role. If you're going to use a scope as an efficient tool then IMO, FFP is wayyyyyyy better. You're entitled to your opinion and preferences, but they are just that. You're opinions and preferences.
@orkan is a good guy. Anybody who has ever actually talked to him would know that. Yes, he makes a living selling alpha grade equipment and instructing training classes. So what? What's the problem with that? Frankly, it's an envious livelihood. Yes, he has his opinions but clearly we all do.
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RockyMtnUT
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You are correct with this statement only on the SHV line though.
Actually that was a joke; no idea which glass, if any, is better. Just sarcasm at the insanity of this thread.You are correct with this statement only on the SHV line though.
gpo1956
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I'm sorry and I don't mean to add to the tension of this thread, but inflammatory "sarcastic" responses are a big reason why these threads get out of hand like they do. Very hard to tell what is humor, sarcasm or true feelings. Rant off.
You're on to something but no. The problem is how people read it and take offense to nothing that was there because they reading others posts and ad in a Aggressive tone because they don't agree.
milo-2
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The key to a lot of these posts is understanding when they are no longer productive, in this case, it was page 3.
IMO, these "vs" posts just induce argumentative behavior.
KY_Windage
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Where did I say or imply they were any more than that? How is it even possible for a person to post more than opinion?
The OP may decide he wants an FFP scope. That's fine. I just think people asking "which is the better scope" need to consider the whole package, and that includes at least considering getting a SFP scope, for the reasons ("personal preferences") stated.
KY_Windage
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I'm glad it was just a joke because when I did a side-by-side comparison with an ATACR it was very obvious that the resolution of the ATACR was much better.
But as I say, resolution is only one aspect in determining which scope is best for any particular person.
KY_Windage
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A far bigger problem is people who seldom or never make a substantive post, but make frequent posts "correcting" and "discussing" other posters. There is a large amount of great information in this thread for someone in the market for a high-end scope, but there is also a lot of "meta" crap from self-appointed correctors. Which are you, substantive or meta?
KY_Windage
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Yes, but they also bring out a lot of facts and great opinions that can be a huge help to someone trying to make sure they do not waste money buying the wrong scope.
The problem is that a lot of people perceive that they have the right to stamp out opinions they do not like. Take for example when I questioned whether TT would be staying in business. I got "corrected" by someone for even bringing that up, but then a poster told how he had bought an expensive Premier scope that is now a "tomato stake" because he cannot get a new lens for it, providing a perfect example of why I brought it up.
It would be nice if everyone could just respectfully state their opinions and explain the "why" behind their preferences, and most do. But it is the Internet so you will always have vendors and their buddies trying to stamp out opinions they do not like with personal attacks. The reader just has to ignore that look for the gems of information. They are there.
