Is Tangent Theta worth the $ over NF?

I use Resolution test cards/targets which I sit at a fixed distance, to see which optic resolves better. Again, my eyes may not be as good as yours or anyone else. Its very subjective at that point but I feel the Kahles, Zeiss, and TT take the cake there based upon what I see. Obviously parallax comes into play and some optics just have a finer parallax adjustment. Depth of field is also an important factor especially when hunting.

I used to do optic resolution tests like that myself. Swarovski glass is great, too. However, I quit when I got my first NF with ED glass in it because their resolution is so good it does not matter whether something else is slightly better or not -- I will never need anything better, whether hunting or shooting at the .5 moa X-ring in F-Class.

But the glass is only one aspect of a great scope, and often not the most important one. ATACR and Competition ED glass is clearly superior to NF NXS, NX8, SHV, BR, etc., but not enough to matter (almost ever) in actual use. While I love looking through NF ED glass, I don't feel I ever need it. I buy ATACR's for other features and improvements more than for the glass.

Reticle/turret design is extremely important, as is reliablity/durability. And, while I seldom sell a scope, re-sale value is important. NF offers a large selection of reticles plus your choice of SFP/FFP in the ATACRS. Peruse the many "SFP vs. FFP" threads on the big forums and it will quickly become obvious that I am not the only one who prefers SFP for hunting. Nearly all serious LR bench and F-Class shooters prefer SFP, because you can get finer reticles in SFP, and that is extremely important in those disciplines. To me FFP is preferable for PRS games and that is it. However, if a guy prefers FFP for hunting or anything else, he can get it in NF. (Sorry if I'm being too "aggressive" for any of the crybabies here. :rolleyes: )

TT offers no SFP option, but even assuming you will be delighted with max 25x or 15x and FFP, I have no idea how robust they are. I know it took NF a long time to work the bugs out of their designs. I also know that the guys shooting 50 cal's say there is only one scope that will hold up to that abuse for an extended time, and it is NF. Has anyone ever shot a TT on a 50? I don't know, but I see NF on 50's all the time.

There is a lively market for used NF's. Indeed, I have bought most of mine used, and if you pay retail you are going to lose money when you resell that scope. But at least there is a lively market for NF's, while the market for the few used TT's I've seen listed on various forums seems dead, or nearly so. It looks to me like you would have to cut the price drastically to sell one, unless you got lucky.

And, last but not least, if something is a push, I prefer Idaho's gun-rights politics over Canada's. And it seems to me that TT is at best a push over the high-end NF's. YMMV

If comparing depth of field and/or parallax "finikiness" be sure you do it side-by-side under identical light conditions, because those things vary greatly according to light. On a bright sunny day practically everywhere I turn my parallax it looks focused. In low light they are all finiky. Ditto for DoF, which also must be compared at the same power. In every scope DoF is huge at low power, small at high power.
 
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This thread is a piece of work...amazing what brings out the passion in some people and how anchored they can become.

@JARHEAD1371 I'd suggest that you scour this forum or SnipersHide for someone who has posted about their opinion of TT and ATACR and then send them a direct PM. Outside of the 🔥 that this thread has become most will get back to you and will answer all kinds of specific questions about them, because chances are that 1) The people who own TTs have also owned ATACRs and 2) Had the same types of questions prior to purchasing one or the other.

I can tell you from personal experience that @orkan and @lancetkenyon are great guys and have both done just that for me personally.
 
I used to do optic resolution tests like that myself. Swarovski glass is great, too. However, I quit when I got my first NF with ED glass in it because their resolution is so good it does not matter whether something else is slightly better or not -- I will never need anything better, whether hunting or shooting at the .5 moa X-ring in F-Class.

But the glass is only one aspect of a great scope, and often not the most important one. ATACR and Competition ED glass is clearly superior to NF NXS, NX8, SHV, BR, etc., but not enough to matter (almost ever) in actual use. While I love looking through NF ED glass, I don't feel I ever need it. I buy ATACR's for other features and improvements more than for the glass.

Reticle/turret design is extremely important, as is reliablity/durability. And, while I seldom sell a scope, re-sale value is important. NF offers a large selection of reticles plus your choice of SFP/FFP in the ATACRS. Peruse the many "SFP vs. FFP" threads on the big forums and it will quickly become obvious that I am not the only one who prefers SFP for hunting. Nearly all serious LR bench and F-Class shooters prefer SFP, because you can get finer reticles in SFP, and that is extremely important in those disciplines. To me FFP is preferable for PRS games and that is it. However, if a guy prefers FFP for hunting or anything else, he can get it in NF. (Sorry if I'm being too "aggressive" for any of the crybabies here. :rolleyes: )

TT offers no SFP option, but even assuming you will be delighted with max 25x or 15x and FFP, I have no idea how robust they are. I know it took NF a long time to work the bugs out of their designs. I also know that the guys shooting 50 cal's say there is only one scope that will hold up to that abuse for an extended time, and it is NF. Has anyone ever shot a TT on a 50? I don't know, but I see NF on 50's all the time.

There is a lively market for used NF's. Indeed, I have bought most of mine used, and if you pay retail you are going to lose money when you resell that scope. But at least there is a lively market for NF's, while the market for the few used TT's I've seen listed on various forums seems dead, or nearly so. It looks to me like you would have to cut the price drastically to sell one, unless you got lucky.

And, last but not least, if something is a push, I prefer Idaho's gun-rights politics over Canada's. And it seems to me that TT is at best a push over the high-end NF's. YMMV

If comparing depth of field and/or parallax "finikiness" be sure you do it side-by-side under identical light conditions, because those things vary greatly according to light. On a bright sunny day practically everywh;)ere I turn my parallax it looks focused. In low light they are all finiky. Ditto for DoF, which also must be compared at the same power. In every scope DoF is huge at low power, small at high power.
I'll bet my Leupold VX 5 HD has better glass than any Nightforce. There, that should make this a 20 pager. :>) I'll never know because I'm going to ignore this thread and also anyone who insults 17 year old girls.
 

Why on earth did you think this story had any relevance to this thread? I know you do not like my observations about TT, but seriously? Implying that I am a "crafty Philippine Internet troll hired by Russians?" 😄 Trump colluded with Putin to steal the 2016 election, too, right?

And you, Chase723, why did you "Like" this ridiculous post by orkan?

You say he is a great guy. I say anyone who calls a fellow shooter "ignorant" because he prefers SFP over FFP for hunting and target scopes is a jerk, not to mention being an over-bearing salesman.

The 600-yard target I posted earlier was shot on Friday in Talkeetna, Alaska. I didn't fly up from the Philippines for the weekend to shoot it. 😄
 
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Pure entertainment...how on earth has this thread not been shut down?! Substitute hammer bullets for TT or Nightforce and everybody would have been banned and the thread closed🤣🤣
 
Please just stop typing!!!!!!!!!
Here, I'll give you some reading material. It will make it easier for you to deal with people like him in the future.


"If you're incompetent, you can't know you're incompetent," Dunning wrote in Self-Insight: Roadblocks and Detours on the Path to Knowing Thyself. The skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is."

So, don't go around expecting loud unreasonable people to all of a sudden start caring what the truth of a situation is. They haven't even attempted to turn on the logic circuit in their brain, much less put in any effort to gain experience to see whether they are actually right or not.
 
This thread has been like a trainwreck. I want to look away, but somehow I'm still reading...

I think @Chase723 nailed it. Lance has a great passion for shooting and makes helpful contributions here (and elsewhere) on a regular basis. He is a true credit to the community.

Big thanks to EVERYONE who checks their ego, and offers take it or leave it advice and opinions. YOU are what make this site worthwhile to reading and participating in.
 
Big thanks to EVERYONE who checks their ego, and offers take it or leave it advice and opinions. YOU are what make this site worthwhile to reading and participating in.

Yeah, it's time to move on. If you don't mind my asking, why the crown avatar? I ask because I have been spending a lot of time on crowns lately, 11 degree, which yours appears to be. Am I reading too much into it, and it's just picture of the "business end?"
 
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