Frenchie1
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Must be another Frenchie on here as I have never loaded for 300 WM and hopefully didn't comment somewhere that I have?
If I did, it was a typo.
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If I did, it was a typo.
Frenchie1
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I am however a die hard Partition fan when it comes to distances not considered to be long range. I have never had an elk walk away from a well placed (and one or two not so well placed) shot at distances or 300yds and under.Must be another Frenchie on here as I have never loaded for 300 WM and hopefully didn't comment somewhere that I have?
When I had my 338 win mag I took several black bears with Swift Scirocco 210 gr bullets and never had to trail any ever,DRT!.A couple were huge,not record boars but huge bears.
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Kaptoe
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With increased range and corresponding food sources black bear size in the east coast is getting off the charts. Well over 500 lbs is a norm for east coast larger bears
Kodiak bears are among the largest of all bears (averaging slightly smaller than polar bears), and males can reach weights of up to 1,500 pounds and are able to stand up to 10 feet tall when on their hind legs. Grizzly bears can weigh up to 1,150 pounds.
Frenchie1
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My hunting partner, his Dad and myself spent 8 or 9 nights on Kodiak, hunting deer back in 2006 and I can tell you first hand that growing up seeing and hunting Black bears here in Washington state, does not hold a candle to those big boys we saw up there. Over 20 bear sightings that week with one of them showing up at 60 yards to our first kill. If that won't get your adrenaline going, your already dead! It is the least amount of sleep I have ever had in those 8 or 9 nights just hoping that the little solar powered electric fence we had rented would stop a 1000 lb + animal like that. It was the greatest adventure I have ever been on and will probably never top it. As mush as I loved the trip and the deer were numerous with all 3 of us filling our two tags each on nice bucks, seeing that float plane come in and land just an hour before dark the last day was a very welcome sight!
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This sentence is from a paragraph from the original post that was nearly a year ago:
................ Thought about Barnes, but will they expand at close range? .......
The content of this sentence tells me the person that was the original poster does not understand bullet performance, especially at "close range".
There is a ballistic myth believed by some that "the bullet was traveling so fast that it went right through the animal and didn't even expand." Just the opposite happens, the bullet impacts the animal at a velocity higher than it is designed for and the bullet will "over expand"; that is, fragment into numerous pieces.
At a very long range, after a bullet's velocity has has slowed to a point it is below the designed expansion velocity of that bullet, the bullet will not expand much or not at all.
ClearCreek
................ Thought about Barnes, but will they expand at close range? .......
The content of this sentence tells me the person that was the original poster does not understand bullet performance, especially at "close range".
There is a ballistic myth believed by some that "the bullet was traveling so fast that it went right through the animal and didn't even expand." Just the opposite happens, the bullet impacts the animal at a velocity higher than it is designed for and the bullet will "over expand"; that is, fragment into numerous pieces.
At a very long range, after a bullet's velocity has has slowed to a point it is below the designed expansion velocity of that bullet, the bullet will not expand much or not at all.
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Related to Barnes copper bullets (TSX), they rarely "fragment into numerous pieces" much - even at very high velocities and close range. I have witnessed this many times with double shoulder hits on brown bears, moose, mountain goats, black bears, etc..
The bullet weight retention is truly impressive (90%+) on all bigger calibers including 30-378 Wby, 338 Ultramag, 378 Wby, 458 WM, 458 Lott, & 460 Wby.
On a black bear the 200 Accubond is extremely lethal as I have killed one at 174 yards with a. 243. But I would have preferred to have had the extra firepower of the 300 WM. I have seen 2 Alaskan Brown bears killed with the 300RUM. One was shot with a 190 gn and the other with a 200 Accubond causing instant kills on both. Most of the locals in Alaska use a 375 and have for ever but the rifles we have today don't have ammo readily available in Alaska and every place that does sell it there has 375 on their shelves.
Frenchie - a friend of mine - who also grew up hunting in Oregon - and carried a BAR as a Marine in Vietnam - was logging on Kodiak Island. Now my friend is a big guy and they also had armed "guards" but he said - a mile or two up the Canyon - it scared the shxx out of him that some of the Big Kodiaks did not like them being there. These Giants would whack the trees with their paws - sending a warning message down the hill.
Deer hunting on Kodiak Island has what the locals coined "Dinner Bell Effect" because the big browns have associated a gun shot with a dead deer. They will head for the sound of the shot as many mauled hunters have found out too late.
