.260 vs 6.5 Creedmore

I built/shoot a 260, my buddy shoots a factory 6.5. We both hand load. I have won money off him in LR side bets more than once, Obviously its the gun and not the range time or shooting technique ;)
 
PredatorSlayer said:
Yeah, but what did you do to them? I guarantee they aren't stock guns anymore. I have M700s as well. Trigger and stock swaps at a minimum? Probably a new barrel to get the twist you want? Big green survived on the military reputation and got lazy.
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You are right that we upgrade them. To be honest, any rifle can be modified to shoot lr. There are so many aftermarket parts, I can't say no to them. I had to bust your chops though
 
PredatorSlayer said:
Yeah, but what did you do to them? I guarantee they aren't stock guns anymore. I have M700s as well. Trigger and stock swaps at a minimum? Probably a new barrel to get the twist you want? Big green survived on the military reputation and got lazy.
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That is a somewhat off the wall question, I can't think of any brand of rifle, savage, remington, ruger, browning, tikka, ect. that I wouldn't modify at least a couple things in the process of setting up for consistent long range shooting.

That being said, Remington's QC does suck. However I have also personally experienced two different savages with chambers screwed up from the factory. So their QC is nothing to brag about either. A new Browning I worked on for a buddy was seriously picky about what it would shoot well. Every Ruger I have been around has been great, but again, some have been very picky about getting good accuracy, and my test pool has only been the M77's.

Pretty much what I'm saying, if it's a mass produced rifle it has the capacity to suck. Remington just doesn't know how to stabilize a bullet and has the marketing capacity of the little girl on the corner with a lemonade stand.
 
In a short action, shooting it as a repeater, the 6.5CM has a better case design that offers slightly more usable, key word being usable, case capacity than does the 260 Rem.

And, the factory ammo for the 6.5CM is substantially better.

I think those two things are what has pushed the 6.5CM so far ahead of the 260Rem and not that one is any "better" than the other.
 
You guys make it sound like there is a huge difference in 260 vs 6.5 creed in handloads. I bet the difference is 50 fps or less. I've been prowling the forums for years. I've yet to see 260 guys quote the velocities that I achieve with my creed and I use less powder. Creed is a better overall case design whether guys like it or not. Remington got lazy and didnt want to out the time and effort into designing the 260. Why is this even talked about anymore? This horse and been beat, shot, run over by a mack, nuked, and whatever else you can come up with to death. Not that theres anything wrong with the 260. If your going to do a 260 then do the Ackley. Then you'll have something over the creed for sure.
 
codyadams said:
That is a somewhat off the wall question, I can't think of any brand of rifle, savage, remington, ruger, browning, tikka, ect. that I wouldn't modify at least a couple things in the process of setting up for consistent long range shooting.

That being said, Remington's QC does suck. However I have also personally experienced two different savages with chambers screwed up from the factory. So their QC is nothing to brag about either. A new Browning I worked on for a buddy was seriously picky about what it would shoot well. Every Ruger I have been around has been great, but again, some have been very picky about getting good accuracy, and my test pool has only been the M77's.

Pretty much what I'm saying, if it's a mass produced rifle it has the capacity to suck. Remington just doesn't know how to stabilize a bullet and has the marketing capacity of the little girl on the corner with a lemonade stand.
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There are several factory rifles now that have good triggers and stock and guaranteed sub moa accuracy right out of the gates. Name me one Remington that you can say that about? Their 5r Gen 2 is probably the closest, but it comes with an HS precision stock, and the X Mark Pro trigger is one of the worst factory triggers out there. Almost every other rifle manufacturer has come out with a long range hunting rifle that doesn't HAVE to have an upgrade.
 
As someone who owns a .260 Rem I feel like I have the authority to speak on the subject. The only legitimate reason to shoot a .260 over a 6.5 CM is to say "I shoot a .260 not a 6.5 CM."


As far as performance, I've seen numerous people post recipes for the 6.5 that are identical to my .260 load except their brass is shaped weird.
 
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