MOA to MIL - did you switch?
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lancetkenyon
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Shot MOA for my first 30 years. Switched to MIL about 5 years ago and never looked back. I much prefer MIL myself.
Bob Wright
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At times when my rangefinder gives me nothing or picks up brush clutter, I wish I would have a MIL reticle. Frustrating.
milo-2
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I have partially made the switch, 4 scopes mil, 3 moa, but one moa scope(mark 4) needs to hit the road. I swap it with a red dot on a 10-22 and it is ok.
I do fine with mils, and like, but my ELR gun and my go to AR15 will always be moa.
Don't think of it as life changing or world ending, transition is easy, never over think it.
I do fine with mils, and like, but my ELR gun and my go to AR15 will always be moa.
Don't think of it as life changing or world ending, transition is easy, never over think it.
dfanonymous
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I agree^
I bounce around both all the time. Being just angular measurements, it really makes no difference. If one has the ability to learn the difference and get intimately familiar with, then it will help in use of a matching reticle, and the features that go with that. I wish some of you guys were into this whole long range hobby when scopes were commonly in mil reticles and moa knobs. You had to know both at the same time...and how to convert corrections.
I bounce around both all the time. Being just angular measurements, it really makes no difference. If one has the ability to learn the difference and get intimately familiar with, then it will help in use of a matching reticle, and the features that go with that. I wish some of you guys were into this whole long range hobby when scopes were commonly in mil reticles and moa knobs. You had to know both at the same time...and how to convert corrections.
Hondo64d
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I've heard comments like this a few times. What does a MIL reticle do that an MOA wouldnt? Is it just that the math is faster/easier? Or am I missing something?
This is what actually steered me away from MIL when I first looked at it awhile back. The scopes I looked at were MOA/MOA or MOA/MIL, could never see the sense in that, to purposely mix two systems. Maybe it's from being Canadian and having both French and English on our cereal boxes, but when I'm tired and hungry I dont want to do extra conversions.
I switched over three years ago and really like the quick dials and easy numbers in my head. I zero at 300 for my hunting rifles and just have to remember .6, 1.3, 2.0 and those get me to 600. Anything past them, I'm guessing I'll have time to get out the app.
Just quicker dials.
Bob Wright
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I have a 2nd focal plane on an moa reticle. Zooming in and out to bracket a target/animal creates a guess as to what exactly my zoom setting is to create a usable formula. Milling for distance is doable if you have a zoom value that is calibrated at max power for instance. Having never owned a mil scope, that's only what I have read and not practiced it. There is a way to range with moa, but I believe it must be in the first focal plane, which I dont have. Rangefinders are hit and miss with bright sun, and little rangeable vegetation near the target/animal. Dry brushy country has also caused errors for me. The earlier military snipers were taught milling techniques as laser rangefinders were not even thought of. Not sure how they did it, so accurately, with a single miss that could cost them their life. It must work.
dfanonymous
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Haha. Nowadays, you're right, it doesn't make sense. Before, it was the only option. I'm not going to bore anyone with the military history, but the reticle was used for range estimation exclusively. Then people realized they could convert it over to moa for fire correction. Then some smart dood said, "you know what would be easier? What if we did a mil reticle....with mil turrets?" Then the world was like..."oooohh"
cummins cowboy
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mil just makes people feel cool, because the military uses it along with the seal team 6 wannabees that shoot 20# rifles, 40mm main tube scopes that weigh over 4 pounds, off fake barricades. it really doesn't matter they are both units of measurement. if you miss and you live in america you are going to say in your head, I missed by 3 inches or I missed by 8 inches. the mil guys say use the reticle as a ruler blah blah blah. umm ok good luck with that when the gun goes off under recoil, LOL. don't let anyone make you feel guilty about using MOA. if I was from another country that used the metric system. then yeah mil is what I would choose. but being an american and thinking in inches. its MOA as my first choice. yeah I can use mil's too but prefer MOA
^^^^^ It's that simple ^^^^^
