PBR driver
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If they build it and gun writers put it in print, people will buy it, that is the intelligents... $$$
Move over 6.5 Creedmoor something New is Coming Thru ...
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Eagleye242
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I will not get wrapped up in the Creedmoor game. Both the 6.5 and the 6mm variants are undoubtedly great chamberings, but I feel that I have the field covered nicely. I own 2 - 6mm Remingtons, both 8 twist, one is a sporter the other a very heavy unit to shoot in 1000 YD competition. As for 6.5mm, I have two rifles in that bore diameter...one is a sporter, 6.5x55, the other also a sporter in 6.5x55AI. Both have 8 twist, custom barrels. While they will do the job, I do not consider the 6mms nor the 6.5mms to be long range elk killers. Knowing the amount of killing a big bull can absorb and still travel into the ugly tangles of brush, I prefer chamberings with more authority. Dave.
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I bought a box of 156gr. EOL bullets.
They are moving at 2699 fps average at 6000' elevation.
They shot very well indeed.
My thought was Elk with this bullet, I will still keep my shot range, (400 yards) conservative as I personally do not believe in long range ( +600 yards) shooting of game.
I cling to the Rules of Fair Chase, where the animal has to have an escape route otherwise to me it is just shooting and not much real hunting.
That is just me, if you feel you need to then so be it.
The heavy for caliber means better sectional density which means deeper penetration.
I am normally a Nosler Partition / Accubond shooter, 100% success.
Glad Berger came out with heavy for bore bullet . Now maybe others will see the light.
Seems the big bullet maker build a heavy for caliber match bullet with no thoughts of the hunting world, seems short sided to me.
Sectional Density is a nice number, but it ain't everything? It was what we went by, before we knew wth "ballistics", really were. With a handheld ballistics solver, we can do so much more than sight in for 2" high at 100yds!
PBR driver
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It seems you have the BC mixed up with SD?
BC-ballistic coefficient
SD-standard deviation
ES-extreme spread
SD-sectional density
SD-standard deviation
ES-extreme spread
SD-sectional density
Eagle eyes 17
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"Back in the day" when I was hunting Elk, Deer and an occasional Bear I used one rifle, my old trusty 30-06 back then I would grab a box of 165gr. Remington Ammo. and sight in for the Deer Season then after Deer Season I would grab a box of 180gr. Remington Ammo and sight in for Elk and Bear .
That was back when you really got out there and hiked in, hunted and packed em out and it was for putting meat in the freezer for the Winter.
Always hunted at a reasonable distance and made a clean shot every time.
That was back when you really got out there and hiked in, hunted and packed em out and it was for putting meat in the freezer for the Winter.
Always hunted at a reasonable distance and made a clean shot every time.
I love my 6mm Creedmoor. I have the Seekins Havak Pro. LOVE. IT. I use the hornady match 108 gr. ELD. I pushed it out to 1741 yards three weeks ago. I didn't think it would perform as well at LR as it did. I was on at 1741 in 4 attempts. Great cartridge.
I also have a 6.5 PRC being built now. I should have it in a month. I would buy a 6.5 creed but with the PRC I won't have any reason to grab one ... unless I just want one.
I AGREE and like your post. It seems that today's bear, moose and elk are 3 times bigger, meaner and tougher than the were back in the day, which seems only few days ago to you and I.
I grew up reading Jack O'Conner and bought a 30-06 on his advice plus the fact that the local hardware store guy did not stock 270 or cared what it was. Both of which will easily shoot minute or deer to at least 400. I would never have shot further until I got out of the Marine Corps in 71. The "Green Machine" extended my ceiling to 500. I'd like to thank the tax payers for the education, training and confidence for me to shoot that extra 100 yards.
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When you see a deer you may have 1 to 2 seconds to shoot. You don't have time to fiddle with your handheld
ajkellerusmc
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I am happy with my 6.5 creed, purchased one for a guided Pronghorn hunt last year in New Mexico and it did the job. My guide was real skeptical about it but was impressed with the Hornady 120GMX"s performance. I expected long shots on the NM prairie but I got my chance at 265yds. I purchased it because I felt my 30:06 was too much gun and my oh my I just had to have one with all the hype of this do all cartridge! I will use it this season on Arizona Mule deer. It fits my bill for medium size game.
Hondo64d
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Seat a 108gr ELD or a 105gr VLD in a 6mm Rem case to fit in a 2.8" magazine box and you will see....
John
PBR driver
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I was referring to Sectional Density or the ability of a bullet to penetrate.
Ballistics Coefficient is the form factor, or the ability to fly through the air.
kburdic1
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This discussion isn't new, the 6mm and 6.5mm shooters have been going back and forth for years over which is the long range king. Which 6mm or 6.5mm caliber isn't really important, they are all sending the same bullet at similar speeds. In long range benchrest competition, 6mm will win one year, and 6.5mm the next. Last year, the majority of the top 10 PRS shooters were sending 6mm downrange.
The actual long range King? .257
It's halfway between the 6mm and 6.5mm, and has only been held back by lack of industry development. This has now been overcome by the 25 Creedmoor development, along with very high BC and heavy .257 pills. In the next few years, expect to see the industry giants expanding their line of .257 bullets to match the offerings available in 6mm and 6.5mm.
Really, though, we are splitting hairs here. Everything from 6mm to 6.5mm and between is rocking awesome compared to the old 308!
The actual long range King? .257
It's halfway between the 6mm and 6.5mm, and has only been held back by lack of industry development. This has now been overcome by the 25 Creedmoor development, along with very high BC and heavy .257 pills. In the next few years, expect to see the industry giants expanding their line of .257 bullets to match the offerings available in 6mm and 6.5mm.
Really, though, we are splitting hairs here. Everything from 6mm to 6.5mm and between is rocking awesome compared to the old 308!
