F.y.i. us army orders $50 million barrett mrads in 300 prc

[MudRunner2005]

However you want to look at it....idea was small round and lighter weight.

Since 276 is bt. modern 284 and 264, calling it 7mm is just at correct as calling it 6.5.

but calling it 276 is the best for sure...just trying to make the point that 30.06 was definitely not the first choice.

You don't understand the cartridge and why it was named the way it was. It IS in fact a .2842" (7mm) diameter bullet. But Pedersen measured from the lands, not the grooves. And most .284" diameter barrels, measure .276/.277" across the lands, and measures .284" across the grooves. So, no, it is in no way a 6.5mm, and it is not in-between the .284 and .264.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.276_Pedersen

 

[MudRunner2005]

Not quite. Bore diameter was 276, bullet/lands was .284 so yes our 7mm. I do get your point though, and got to wondering if that initial chambering held on would the .308 even exist today? Would the 30-06 have seen a decline in popularity? Makes you wonder how far reaching some of these decisions are.

****, just saw your post...After I finished explaining and posting it. Oh well... Never hurts to reinforce it, right?

 

[MudRunner2005]

Dear Uncle Sam,

You really don't want those rifles and I will take a few off your hands for a depreciated amount. Say $100.00 per rifle.

Love,

I already paid enough in Taxes

Oh yeah, if they want to give me about 100 of those old "worthless and worn-out" M24s and M40's that I've paid for with my taxes since I was 16, then I'll welcome them with open arms...They know the shipping address.

 

[redleg1013]

Oh yeah, if they want to give me about 100 of those old "worthless and worn-out" M24s and M40's that I've paid for with my taxes since I was 16, then I'll welcome them with open arms...They know the shipping address.

Maybe they'll come out through the CMP in 40 or 50 years.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Maybe they'll come out through the CMP in 40 or 50 years.

Yeah, when half of us will be half-blind and too old to be shooting LR, and the rest are already taking dirt naps...And they'll sell for about $10,000 each because of inflation.

That sounds about right. They paid about $150 each for the M1 Garands to be made during WW2, and sell rack-grades at the CMP for over $1,200...

 

[Wild Monkey]

Well, I'm still kinda confused why we are filling this Billet? They still have not met the 7.62x54 Quagmire. Is the horse pulverized yet?

 

[North Range Hunter]

-> IMHO the Barrett MRAD is about the best bolt gun to meet the "change-barrel, change-cartridge" specs of the US SOCOM and US Army for their Precision Rifle solicitation. My friend has an MRAD in .338 LM and it is very easy to disassemble, clean, etc.
*The trigger is dead easy to remove and clean. Often the trigger is the first part to have problems. As far as I know the British Accuracy International rifles are the only other sniper rifles to have an easy to remove trigger assembly without removing the barreled action from the chassis.

-> I'm very surprised the Army went for a cartridge as new as the Hornady 300 PRC for the MRAD.
You'd a-thunk they would have wanted more testing on that relatively new cartridge. Evidently Hornady did a great sales job.

The previous US .30 caliber rifle/cartridge sniper rifle was the XM2010 Remington actioned W/Cadex chassis in .300 Winchester Magnum.

So now there are going to be two .30 caliber sniper rifles and two .30 caliber cartridges in the inventory. Perhaps the best way to handle this possible logistics nightmare is to put the XM2010 rifles in the East Asian/Pacific theaters and the new MRAD/300 PRC rifles in the European/Middle East theaters. Jus'sayin'...

Eric B.

Eric
This is part of the ASR project which is a USSOCOM solicitation. The original guide lines were the rifle must be capable of firing the following calibers 308, 300NM and 338NM. After testing the Navy (SEAL's) decided to go with the 300PRC. They found it had better performance than the 300NM. The Army (USASOC) is sticking with the 300NM.
The M2010 is a big Army project and totally separate from the ASR. I would not be surprised if big Army doesn't adopt the Barrett in the near future.

 

[LittleMike]

The 338, 300WM & 308 Mrad systems exist, what is the mission this weapon system support? I'm sure marketing has a long bullet list of Pro's; on paper there is a clear set of advantages of the PRC over the this is the Army wanting a sexier round because they can and lethality isn't part of the criteria.

 

[just country]

morning, money money money. ammo makers can not or possibly will
not keep up the civilian reloaders and shooting publics demand
for shooting supplies. the ammo makers have us over a barrel
and doing a **** good job of lubrication.
NOW the military comes out with a new TOY for long range body
separation. if and will the ammo makers keep up with the demand for ammo??!!
who knows. we as shooters will suffer again from the lack of supplies.
new frontiers--new inventions r really great. I can remember having
my M-14. I and others did real damage with this weapon. all we
ask for was more ammo. MONEY MONEY MONEY justme gbot tum

 

[Techy]

Eric
This is part of the ASR project which is a USSOCOM solicitation. The original guide lines were the rifle must be capable of firing the following calibers 308, 300NM and 338NM. After testing the Navy (SEAL's) decided to go with the 300PRC. They found it had better performance than the 300NM. The Army (USASOC) is sticking with the 300NM.
The M2010 is a big Army project and totally separate from the ASR. I would not be surprised if big Army doesn't adopt the Barrett in the near future.

300 prc does not have better performance than the NM

 

[RockWizzum]

Are the majority of barrels going to be chambered in 300 prc? Or did they order 1000 rifles and 10 are actually going to be delivered in 300 prc but to get everyone all fired up they say we just adopted the barrett in prc?

 

[Johnslam]

member: 96764"]Yeah, another item to throw into the mix beyond bullet weight.

Another fact that will drive this crowd wild...the average distance of a kill is much, much closer than any technology that exists.

The number of kills at extreme long range is infinitesimally small.
Everyone likes the idea of reaching out....but enemies have this nasty habit or moving around....a perfectly winded, doped and executed shot at beyond 1000 yards misses because the target suddenly gets the urge to swat a fly, tie his shoe, or trip on a rock.

Take a look at stats from wars...kills at less than 100 yards are the norm.

Want to prove it to yourself? spend a few hours playing a simulation.
Even on a vid game...where your life is not actually on the line...you will control your perimeter, you will make the kills at 30 to 100 yards 100x more often than you will at 600 to 1000.

Again, this is simply on a vid game....you can take all the time in the world and use perfect technology for aiming....any your average shot distance will still come in at less than 100 yards average when you are playing as the dedicated sniper.[/QUOTE]



Pretty sure the typical engagement distance in Afghan is 400 + meters.

 

[Bravo 4]

Another fact that will drive this crowd wild...the average distance of a kill is much, much closer than any technology that exists.

The number of kills at extreme long range is infinitesimally small.
Everyone likes the idea of reaching out....but enemies have this nasty habit or moving around....a perfectly winded, doped and executed shot at beyond 1000 yards misses because the target suddenly gets the urge to swat a fly, tie his shoe, or trip on a rock.

Take a look at stats from wars...kills at less than 100 yards are the norm.

Want to prove it to yourself? spend a few hours playing a simulation.
Even on a vid game...where your life is not actually on the line...you will control your perimeter, you will make the kills at 30 to 100 yards 100x more often than you will at 600 to 1000.

Again, this is simply on a vid game....you can take all the time in the world and use perfect technology for aiming....any your average shot distance will still come in at less than 100 yards average when you are playing as the dedicated sniper.

I guess all your simulation kills have been under 100 yards. More like 10 feet, the proximity to your tv.
I seriously can't believe you actually compared the two.

 

[J E Custom]

So,
Everyone here knows the M1 was originally designed for 6.5 right?
The reason that it ended up 30 cal is because of old ammo left over from WWI.


Having owned and trained on an .30 MI, I have always been fascinated with the history if the Garand, and to expand on it in the late 20's and early 30's Grand had submitted a Patent for a .276 caliber (7mm) while working on a 30 M1. There were several others trying for the contract including a .256 Bang. there were no real winners and that's when Army Chef Of staff General Douglas MacArthur Personally disapproved any caliber change because of the large amounts of M1 ball ammo that was still available.

Better to be lucky than good.

That decision was to become a very good one even though the decision was based on ammo availability and the fact that the other calibers tested were realy no better.

Just a little history

J E CUSTOM