Eradicate the Wolf???!

The problem with the wolves is they didn't reintroduce the native wolf they are bigger and more aggressive they kill for sport our area elk were 5000 + numbers now I think it's below 1000 and it's not because of hunters if people and wolves could live together they would still be here so I don't see the need for wolves hardly ever see them all they do is kill the game that many people rely on for food and income there was a study a few years ago where they found like 40 wolf killed cow elk only 3 of them were fully consumed the rest had the calf pulled from mother and very minimal eaten of both so was basically a sport kill also anyone that lives in wolf country can't have outside pets cuz they come in at night and kill them some places parents can't let there children play outside because wolves have been seen stocking children just my 2 cents
Don't you see the irony in your argument
Kill for sport - just like you
Partly consume elk- just like many hunters do
Next you'll argue that their camo is better that yours, their long range abilities are unfair and they can see better at night.
I too am a hunter but many of you have flawed arguments. There appear to be a few scientists out there though & for that I am happy
 
In 2018 we don't need Wolves or Grizzly in North America. They are a fairy tale entity re-introduced to make ourselves feel good and PLAYING GOD over areas where we eradicated them out of the ecosystem and it adapted. There was not wide spread catastrophe or plagues as a result. These are just Do Gooder feel good programs now used to draw tourist $$$,$$$,$$$ and anti-gun / anti-hunter people in - Naturalists who dream of Utopia with the same fever as Karl Marx and restrict hunting programs.

They hate Hunters, but go to Walmart to buy their frozen chicken, steaks and ribs!

I would rather have more of a longer hunting season to let humans thin / manage by hunting Elk / Deer populations and keep Wolves / Griz wiped out of North America.

I don't kill for sport, the meat goes in the freezer and gets eaten.
Man is the true Apex Predator. What was re-introduced in as Wolves or Griz wasn't was there naturally in the first place so it is some man made abomination Do Gooder program PLAYING GOD by rules man made up = hypocrisy.

YMMV
 
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Keep the Wolves and Griz wiped out. They serve no purpose other than people playing God to make themselves feel good. Nature isn't about being nice or fair. It is about survival and eat or be eaten. Hunting to me isn't about trophies, it is about meat in the freezer and food eaten. That is about as Natural as it is in food chain. Do Gooders putting in abominations just to marvel at how cute or great they are is hypocritical.
 
Keep the Wolves and Griz wiped out. They serve no purpose other than people playing God to make themselves feel good. Nature isn't about being nice or fair. It is about survival and eat or be eaten. Hunting to me isn't about trophies, it is about meat in the freezer and food eaten. That is about as Natural as it is in food chain. Do Gooders putting in abominations just to marvel at how cute or great they are is hypocritical.
Again your argument has no foundation
Maybe all NP should be turned into farms remove ALL elk, deer, rabbits, bear, doves, .......... from the planet so it can be just crops & feedlots. Why should the government keep public lands just for deer & elk for you to hunt. You could just go to the shops when your hungry!
There problem solved. Hunters should want diversity otherwise you're hunting domestic animals!
Think about the natural selection being taken out of the wild it's called a farm/ranch.
You should be careful what you wish for. I know I don't want to drive up to a deer and get out of the car load gun & shoot from 50 feet.
All the areas around NPs are fenced but these animals once moved far greater distances than now allowed but this has been taken away, so too the wolves, so diversity is stolen and if you take away all predators you end up with Galapagos or New Zealand which had no natural predators
 
Since I retired in 1998 I've spent much of my time in the fight against the animal rights agenda. Harperc is right, it's about forcing people off the land. The introduction of the wolf was pushed by animal rights (AR) groups, such as the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) which, among other negative things, is an extremist anti-hunting group! As was mentioned by another poster -- the levels have been reached, which were previously agreed upon -- but now the AR groups say we still shouldn't be allowed to manage wolves! The intent by the AR groups, is to allow wolves to continue to expand until they decimate as many of our deer, elk and moose herds as possible! That will give us fewer hunting opportunities which will result in fewer hunters!

The extremist AR groups (and extremist environmental groups) are essentially made up of people with a misanthropic personality – they hate humankind far more than they love animals!

Those of us deeply involved in this fight also want to know why the AR groups think like they think. We've long recognized it's about forcing people off the land because the extremist AR suffers from a human self-loathing – a personality defect. It's not necessarily a mental illness but can be a symptom of a mental illness!

That being said – that doesn't mean the AR's aren't intelligent because many times the leaders of the extremist groups are very intelligent and use arguments that seem to make sense. However, they do have an agenda – so be careful not to buy into that agenda!

Crockett12 is spot on. Having intensely fought the fake red wolf program in NC for over a decade, I can assure you these wolf programs are nothing more a tool of anti hunting liberals. The liberal organizations such as HSUS and Defenders of Wildlife would like nothing better than for wolves to replace humans as the top predator. Two packs of wolves set up camp on my farm and yes, I was quickly replaced as the top predator and the hunting and outdoor benefits of my farm were completely destroyed. This is the agenda. BEWARE! Furthermore, these "nonprofit" anti hunting organizations are funded by huge tax free direct marketing efforts full of lies to unwitting donors.

Current wolf programs are illegal and based on lies by USFWS and their anti hunting activist accomplices. Now leftist activist Judges have joined with these groups using sue and settle tactics as well as rewriting the ESA from the bench in order to eliminate hunting opportunities in our Nation.

If wolves were reintroduced into large cities, we would quickly have an all new wolf eradication program. For every wolf illegally released on my farm, I would like to have my pick of where the next one would be released. That policy would end wolf releases rather quickly.
 
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Again your argument has no foundation
Maybe all NP should be turned into farms remove ALL elk, deer, rabbits, bear, doves, .......... from the planet so it can be just crops & feedlots. Why should the government keep public lands just for deer & elk for you to hunt. You could just go to the shops when your hungry!
There problem solved. Hunters should want diversity otherwise you're hunting domestic animals!
Think about the natural selection being taken out of the wild it's called a farm/ranch.
You should be careful what you wish for. I know I don't want to drive up to a deer and get out of the car load gun & shoot from 50 feet.
All the areas around NPs are fenced but these animals once moved far greater distances than now allowed but this has been taken away, so too the wolves, so diversity is stolen and if you take away all predators you end up with Galapagos or New Zealand which had no natural predators

When I am the Apex Predator in the world, yes I do get to choose aspects rather than make arguments for liberal utopian agendas that waste Federal Tax dollars and local state money for things that are pipe dreams and lies.

The wolves and Grizzly are nothing but window dressings in the environment to make us feel good. If they were taken out of the environment, it wouldn't cause the world to end or apocalypse! We can agree to disagree. "Hunters should want diversity" So do you know that the American Whitetail was almost eradicated out of the entire USA early 1900's and we brought them back also. They are domesticated and know when it is deer season every year! You have a liberal agenda to save the world mindset, but it does not work that way man. Man is the Apex Predator for a reason. This is nothing more than modern day Zoo for liberal $$$,$$$ programs for tourism. These are abominations released to make Americans feel good like it is needed. It is the modern day Affirmative Action - done in the Animal Kingdom by MAN! It wastes my Federal tax dollar and generates $$$,$$$,$$$ for liberal utopians. You might as well give your house to the cockroaches and rats if you believe what you are selling.
 
Diamondback,

The wolves and Grizzly are nothing but window dressings in the environment to make us feel good. If they were taken out of the environment, it wouldn't cause the world to end or apocalypse! We can agree to disagree. "Hunters should want diversity" So do you know that the American Whitetail was almost eradicated out of the entire USA early 1900's and we brought them back also. They are domesticated and know when it is deer season every year! You have a liberal agenda to save the world mindset, but it does not work that way man. Man is the Apex Predator for a reason. This is nothing more than modern day Zoo for liberal $$$,$$$ programs for tourism. These are abominations released to make Americans feel good like it is needed. It is the modern day Affirmative Action - done in the Animal Kingdom by MAN! It wastes my Federal tax dollar and generates $$$,$$$,$$$ for liberal utopians. You might as well give your house to the cockroaches and rats if you believe what you are selling.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you should kill everything & eat tofu
You say you want to hunt but you don't want a challenge you want to go to the shops and get your food on demand. You're in denial about the reality of where sheep, cattle and chickens come from once upon a time they too were wild
In reality you are afraid of the wolf, because he makes it harder for you to achieve what once real men did. you want your "wild meat" but you don't really want wild, you want to hunt a sheep or a cow walking around the paddock happy to look at you.
there is no challenge in that, and that and that is what the real apex predators bring to free ranging animals, they make them smarter and cagier and far more difficult for lazy people to kill. What have you done to achieve apex status other than to buy a gun.

HUNTERS will understand, you my boy may never
 
morning, coyotes, wolves and bears do not kill their prey.
they eat the prey alive. why don't u go throw urself
into a wolf pack, while they predators r eating u,
praise the coyotes, wolves and bears. enjoy urself.
we do not eat predators, except bears. justme got tum
 
I have been on the ocean here in California most of my life. Surfing, diving and fishing; white sharks are making a miracle comeback. It's all anecdotal, but there are bunch more sightings happening all the time out here.
White shark reintroduction to keep people out of the ocean and stop sport fishing...Just sayin'.
 
morning, coyotes, wolves and bears do not kill their prey.
they eat the prey alive. why don't u go throw urself
into a wolf pack, while they predators r eating u,
praise the coyotes, wolves and bears. enjoy urself.
we do not eat predators, except bears. justme got tum
Mountain Lion meat is awesome, some of the best jerky ever. It's very lean.
This thread is stirring people to post that have been members since 2011 and only have 8 or nine posts. :D
 
The numbers of sea lions are getting extremely high around the coast of Oregon and thus has drawn in the oceans apex predators...the great white and the orca have made themselves known inside the jaws of several river systems.....chasing the sea lions on up the rivers...the animal righteous believe the sea lion should be at home in the river eating returning salmon and steelhead....and the sturgeon....well they(the government)shut down fishing this year because of low numbers of fish.......gee....really....
How about killing 90 percent of the sea lions and having the people worried about the starving polar bears pay to have them all the seal lions transported
to feeding grounds....."problems" solved....
To the hungry wolves we drop big fat lobbyist and wasteful bureaucrats....problems solved....or will we run out of big fat lying lobbyist and bureaucrats.....ad Hollywood whiners to the list also...
 
Winefly maybe I hunt for recreation but I don't wast the animal unlike many wolf kills I'm looked down on because I kill my own meat where most people let other people kill there meat for them so they think they keep there hands clean
 
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