zeiss vs kowa

Discussion in 'Long Range Scopes and Other Optics' started by RemingtonShooter, Nov 28, 2012.

  1. RemingtonShooter

    RemingtonShooter Well-Known Member

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    What do you experienced hunters and shooters think you would chose between a Zeiss victory diascope 65fl t versus the kowa tsn 664 prominar. The Zeiss is a 15 x45 x 65 while the kowa 20 x 60 x 66.

    This is mostly for hunting and packing. Both get superior reviews with only the swaro being higher. Don't know either and never looked thru either and have no way to do so. I am leaning towards the kowa for the 60x. Assume price the same.....

    I have Zeiss scopes and will never buy anything but so I trust Zeiss.

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  2. Sully2

    Sully2 Well-Known Member

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    If thats true...then why you even bothering to compare????
     

  3. RemingtonShooter

    RemingtonShooter Well-Known Member

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    Rifle scopes.....no experience with spotting scopes.
     
  4. Sako7STW

    Sako7STW Well-Known Member

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    The Kowa Prominar is considered to be the best spotter in the world. Swaro only has higher ratings in the hunting world because of name. If you step over to the birding world where color and clarity is the whole reason they are even there, the Kowa reigns supreme. I researched spotters for months before I finally bought my TSN-884 and I absolutely love it. I have lots of friends with Swaro's and every one of them will tell you that my Kowa is better. That being said, When I was looking, the Zeiss was right there with it. VERY good scopes and I think they are better than the Swaro's in the color dept. Really though when you are talking optics of this caliber you cant go wrong with any of them. It takes a very trained eye to be able to pick these scopes apart. If it were me I would go with the Kowa for the higher power and slightly bigger objective.

    That being said, for what your wanting to do, have you considered a pair of big eyes? If I were a rich man I would have my TSN-884 mated with another one to make a wicked set of big eyes then get a TSN-883 for those occasions when a angled spotter would be nice. Squinting through one eye for extended periods of time gets very tiresome. My solution for a set of big eyes was I bought a pair of the 15x50 Canon Image stabilizing binoculars. I made a setup where I can take my canon's and they are mounted on a bar next to my Kowa. I use the bins to carpet the area then the spotter to zoom in for fine detail like scoring a bull from over 5 miles!
     
  5. Zep

    Zep Well-Known Member

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    I was hoping to find a Swaro ATS 65 HD on sale this Holiday but no luck. Swaro had their binoculars on sale but not the scopes. The ATS 65 is brand new, maybe that is the reason.

    I have looked thru just about all of the scopes and I can see a difference but again what do we really need.

    While I use Zeiss binoculars and I like them very much I was not impressed with their scopes, at least the ones I tried. The fine focus was finicky. The glass was the usual Zeiss, very good.

    The Kowa is also very nice, I thought of it more of a bench scope but I had not seen the model you mention. The only thing that concerned me with Kowa was the warranty. Make sure you check the warranty on the Zeiss as well. This is one of the reason I have been holding out for the Swarovski, they appear to have the best warranty, especially if I am taking it into the field.
     
  6. marinetowgunner

    marinetowgunner Well-Known Member

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    You can get the STM/ATM's for pretty good prices right now.

    For example: Swarovski Spotting Scopes
     
  7. Zep

    Zep Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the heads up. I currently plan to wait until spring or at least the dead of winter but I am looking. Lots of good scopes out there, Zeiss, Kowa, Swaro. Unless you have them side by side for a few hours I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. But like I said, check warranties, I use my toys and things happen. My Zeiss binoculars are warranted for my lifetime, good enough for me.

    Also you have to keep in mind, does it come with an eyepiece. This is where pricing between different dealers gets cloudy.
     
  8. Sako7STW

    Sako7STW Well-Known Member

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    On Kowa's site it says they have a lifetime warranty with an average turnaround of 10 days.
     
  9. Zep

    Zep Well-Known Member

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    I just called Kowa (1 800 966-5692) - Limited Lifetime Warranty Of Manufactures Defect.


    Not sure that is the same as Zeiss or Swarovski. Will have to call them. I should have asked the girl at Kowa what happens if I drop the scope.
     
  10. eddybo

    eddybo Well-Known Member

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    I love the tsn88, but I am biased to kowa spotters
     
  11. Zep

    Zep Well-Known Member

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    Understandably so. My first exposure with a Kowa was spotting an entire afternoon for a shooter I didn't even know. He had an older model with a fixed power eyepiece (30 power I believe). Very nice scope. Kind of made me wonder and it does again today, do I really need a zoom eyepiece, no. The equivalent today of what he had is the TSN-82SV and they sell a 25X eyepiece. This would be great for bench shooting but I would not want to haul it around all day.
     
  12. pyroducksx3

    pyroducksx3 Well-Known Member

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    Cabelas had the swaro 65mm ATM HD with 20-60 eyepiece for 1710$ right now.
     
  13. Mike 338

    Mike 338 Well-Known Member

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    There's some good deals on the discontinued Swarovski STM-65 HD.

    Reeds Sporting Goods: Swarovski STM-65 HD Spotting Scope. That's about 600 to 800 dollars less than just a little while ago.

    Kowa TSN-663 Prominar ED Lens is said to be the same or better at a lesser price point. Liberty Optics

    Personally, I'm liking the price on the Swarovski while they last.
     
  14. Zep

    Zep Well-Known Member

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    Thanks everyone, time for me to look hard again.