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<blockquote data-quote="Topgun 30-06" data-source="post: 965241" data-attributes="member: 28854"><p>FYI you can't really come up with exact numbers by looking at the odds list and doing simple addition like you did because those numbers are what's left <strong>after</strong> they take the landowner tags off the unit allocation. Residents get 80% of the total tags allocated in a unit and NRs get the remaining 20%, so you can get those two exact figures by taking those percentages times the total tags showing in the Final Regulation. Doing that for 2013 and 2014 for 200 tags and 150 tags, respectively, gives exactly wat was up on the stats list for residents (160 and 120). That would leave NRs with 40 tags for 2013 and 30 tags for 2014 BEFORE any landowner tags are taken off the top. That is a big problem with the way the Wyoming landowner tag system is set up and the way the draw odds are printed on the G&F website. There is no limit to landowner tags, so if there are a lot of landowners that by statute have at least 160 deeded acres with 2000 animal use days for that species in a calendar year in a unit and they apply for a tag the statute automatically gives them one buck/bull tag and one antlerless tag if they apply for it. This can lead to serious problems if a unit has a low number of tags and a large number of landowners who qualify for them because theoretically they can take every tag in that unit before the draws are even done. That's exactly what happened in deer unit 87-1 this year. There were 25 total tags allocated for the unit and the odds list showed that only 9 tags were issued in the resident draw and none in any of the NR draws because 16 of the 25 tags were removed for landowners BEFORE the draws were even held (5 on the NR side, which was their 20% cut of the 25, and 11 from the residents, which was a big chunk of the 20 allocated to them). Thus, NRs that put in for that unit wasted an application fee and a chance at that unit tag if they had it for any of their 3 choices. It sucks, but it is what it is unless the system is changed and that's doubtful when NRs don't have a vote or say in the matter. Anyway, what I mentioned in my other post regarding your 2013 question remains the same because there is no way they could legally or correctly give out 62 tags in that one draw when there were only 40 tags available to begin with for NRs even before landowner tags may have been pulled from that total. Somebody in the G&F Draw Section either screwed up when they input the totals for the computer to draw the tags or when the draws odds list was printed and not checked. My guess after the debacle in elk unit 7-1 where they initially issued 1200 too many bull tags in the resident draw and had to change those 1200 showing successful to the big UN would make me believe that they don't/didn't have a step in place to insure that total tag allocations were input correctly into the computer. I'd bet after this 7-1 disaster that it won't happen again or someone should lose their job!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Topgun 30-06, post: 965241, member: 28854"] FYI you can't really come up with exact numbers by looking at the odds list and doing simple addition like you did because those numbers are what's left [B]after[/B] they take the landowner tags off the unit allocation. Residents get 80% of the total tags allocated in a unit and NRs get the remaining 20%, so you can get those two exact figures by taking those percentages times the total tags showing in the Final Regulation. Doing that for 2013 and 2014 for 200 tags and 150 tags, respectively, gives exactly wat was up on the stats list for residents (160 and 120). That would leave NRs with 40 tags for 2013 and 30 tags for 2014 BEFORE any landowner tags are taken off the top. That is a big problem with the way the Wyoming landowner tag system is set up and the way the draw odds are printed on the G&F website. There is no limit to landowner tags, so if there are a lot of landowners that by statute have at least 160 deeded acres with 2000 animal use days for that species in a calendar year in a unit and they apply for a tag the statute automatically gives them one buck/bull tag and one antlerless tag if they apply for it. This can lead to serious problems if a unit has a low number of tags and a large number of landowners who qualify for them because theoretically they can take every tag in that unit before the draws are even done. That's exactly what happened in deer unit 87-1 this year. There were 25 total tags allocated for the unit and the odds list showed that only 9 tags were issued in the resident draw and none in any of the NR draws because 16 of the 25 tags were removed for landowners BEFORE the draws were even held (5 on the NR side, which was their 20% cut of the 25, and 11 from the residents, which was a big chunk of the 20 allocated to them). Thus, NRs that put in for that unit wasted an application fee and a chance at that unit tag if they had it for any of their 3 choices. It sucks, but it is what it is unless the system is changed and that's doubtful when NRs don't have a vote or say in the matter. Anyway, what I mentioned in my other post regarding your 2013 question remains the same because there is no way they could legally or correctly give out 62 tags in that one draw when there were only 40 tags available to begin with for NRs even before landowner tags may have been pulled from that total. Somebody in the G&F Draw Section either screwed up when they input the totals for the computer to draw the tags or when the draws odds list was printed and not checked. My guess after the debacle in elk unit 7-1 where they initially issued 1200 too many bull tags in the resident draw and had to change those 1200 showing successful to the big UN would make me believe that they don't/didn't have a step in place to insure that total tag allocations were input correctly into the computer. I'd bet after this 7-1 disaster that it won't happen again or someone should lose their job! [/QUOTE]
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