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<blockquote data-quote="sable tireur" data-source="post: 1727866" data-attributes="member: 27307"><p>Heavens no! But we all have prejudices when it comes to actions, barrel and stock makers. Those that express disdain (or even vehemence) for one action over another are simply distorting some information to suit their reasoning. Am I a big fan of the M700? Not really but I do recognize the potential for its use in making better than average rifles and the huge selection of aftermarket parts and accessories. The availability of those actions as actions is a significant reason for their existence in the field of gunsmithing. The Winchesters suffer due to the lack of action availability. </p><p></p><p>I have always felt that the FN variants were worthwhile insofar as being usable for building is concerned but they are not the M70 Pre-64 by any means. But they are functional control round feed. I worked on the original release of the Patrol Bolt Rifle and the Special Police Rifle, providing some customized work for FN on those rifles before the rifles were sold. The actions are fine, the stock from Hogue is awful on the PBR while the McMillan is a favorite of mine. But the action is usually not available to builders or custom riflesmiths to use for their own designs and those of their clients. I did stumble onto a cache of six awhile back which I bought but the individual actions are usually not around. So at $3,000 for a new rifle (FN SPR A5M XP) just to tear it apart for the action can be a little more than daunting for most folks. You can't say that for the better clones or the any of the ones on the list of actions I added above. I can buy as many as I want whenever I want. The alternative for the FN of course is to wait for a beater to come up on the used market if the price is reduced to a viable amount. </p><p></p><p>I think that part of the problem is writing and limiting that writing so the posts are reasonably bite sized. I can and have written book-like posts but the effort is usually lost on the majority who just don't have the time or don't want to make the effort to read it for detail. There are times I know when I don't choose the exact wording I probably should to make my point absolutely clear but my time is limited since I work long hours 6 days a week. In general though, I try to make valid points and provide information in a readable form. I also try to avoid being disrespectful unless pushed to push back. </p><p></p><p>That's a long way around the Horn but I hope it's worthwhile.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sable tireur, post: 1727866, member: 27307"] Heavens no! But we all have prejudices when it comes to actions, barrel and stock makers. Those that express disdain (or even vehemence) for one action over another are simply distorting some information to suit their reasoning. Am I a big fan of the M700? Not really but I do recognize the potential for its use in making better than average rifles and the huge selection of aftermarket parts and accessories. The availability of those actions as actions is a significant reason for their existence in the field of gunsmithing. The Winchesters suffer due to the lack of action availability. I have always felt that the FN variants were worthwhile insofar as being usable for building is concerned but they are not the M70 Pre-64 by any means. But they are functional control round feed. I worked on the original release of the Patrol Bolt Rifle and the Special Police Rifle, providing some customized work for FN on those rifles before the rifles were sold. The actions are fine, the stock from Hogue is awful on the PBR while the McMillan is a favorite of mine. But the action is usually not available to builders or custom riflesmiths to use for their own designs and those of their clients. I did stumble onto a cache of six awhile back which I bought but the individual actions are usually not around. So at $3,000 for a new rifle (FN SPR A5M XP) just to tear it apart for the action can be a little more than daunting for most folks. You can't say that for the better clones or the any of the ones on the list of actions I added above. I can buy as many as I want whenever I want. The alternative for the FN of course is to wait for a beater to come up on the used market if the price is reduced to a viable amount. I think that part of the problem is writing and limiting that writing so the posts are reasonably bite sized. I can and have written book-like posts but the effort is usually lost on the majority who just don't have the time or don't want to make the effort to read it for detail. There are times I know when I don't choose the exact wording I probably should to make my point absolutely clear but my time is limited since I work long hours 6 days a week. In general though, I try to make valid points and provide information in a readable form. I also try to avoid being disrespectful unless pushed to push back. That's a long way around the Horn but I hope it's worthwhile. [/QUOTE]
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