will the pending ban affect the bolt action aftermarket?

[Joe King]

I agree with Scott here 200% on the entire post.

Jeff

Me too!

Hey their taking the shotgun approach, why shouldn't we? My thinking is this. Their position is to make guns look like they'll be the death of us all and if we get rid of them it'll be a San Angeles (Demolition Man).

So my approach is. This bill where to pass it will end the Constitution, take us from a recession to a depression over night, and turn the U.S. into a socialist society with 0 freedoms and personal rights much like China.

What I really believe is that the shotgun approach is true, because it is intended to make a few key points stick, to open the door for further restrictions down the road. This current bill is an insight to the end game, which I believe is place the power in the hands of a few individuals. I do not believe for 1 second these folks will stop until they've torn it all down.

 

[Wile E Coyote]

Me too!

Hey their taking the shotgun approach, why shouldn't we? My thinking is this. Their position is to make guns look like they'll be the death of us all and if we get rid of them it'll be a San Angeles (Demolition Man).

So my approach is. This bill where to pass it will end the Constitution, take us from a recession to a depression over night, and turn the U.S. into a socialist society with 0 freedoms and personal rights much like China.

What I really believe is that the shotgun approach is true, because it is intended to make a few key points stick, to open the door for further restrictions down the road. This current bill is an insight to the end game, which I believe is place the power in the hands of a few individuals. I do not believe for 1 second these folks will stop until they've torn it all down.

I think of it as more than a shotgun approach. Yes they are throwing everything out there in the hope of getting something to stick - and some probably will. After that it is and will continue to be a 'sustained fire' approach to total registration/confiscation.

This entire administration has been all about controlling. Controlling every aspect of everything one does.

 

[SidecarFlip]

We need to loose the 'me' attitude thats so prevalent today. The current administration feeds on that.

 

[SidecarFlip]

I understand that the firearms industry, the hunting industry and everyone else that derives a living from our sport is a lot of people and families and revenue but by the same token there are a whole bunch of politicians who would like nothing better than make it all illegal and are pushing hard toward that and using the recent events to their advantage, when, IMO, they need to address the issues of mental illness and potential criminal intent out on the streets. Thats hard though. Much easier to come after a target thats tangible and unorganized....'me'.

What better way to control the people...when the people have no defense.

Always look at the end game and forget about how it will effect 'me'. 'Me' is weak. 'Me' is easily conquerable. 'Me' is easily defeated. The one resounding force against this is the NRA. While I don't agree with all their principles or their stance on every issue, the NRA takes us from 'me' to WE. I also realize there are other groups out there but the NRA has to be the most organized and has the largest membership. I have no issue with supporting them if they can make even a little difference.

We are strong, We aren't easily defeated, We together have a voice.

Make no doubt about it, even if 'we' win this battle, there are going to be more and more frequent now. It has to be we and not me to triumph in this, and protect our First and Second Amendment Rights.

Chest beating does absolutely nothing. In fact, it casts a negative shadow on all of us. It makes you feel good to read it and think it, but in reality, it's detrimental to what 'we' want to protect.

On a side note, I've been dealing with this stuff with motorcycles for a long time. I make a good and enjoyable living as a manufacturer and distributor of motorcycle accessories and I own multiple motorcycles and have for decades, my business is an extension of something I enjoy but motorcyclists are constantly in the gun sights (no pun intended) of every noise abatement group, governmental entities who want to remove motorcycles as a means of recreation/transportation and every law enforcement agency that wants to harass motorcyclists because they are easy prey.

It seems that if a person derives enjoyment from a venue, any venue, there is always someone or some group out there, that is against it. I'm a member of ABATE, and the AMA. Just like the NRA, those organizations champion the rights of motorcyclists.

I'm pretty familiar with how all this plays..... and I'm not about lay down and roll over because it looks politically good....at least not yet anyway.

One part of Feinstein's proposal deals directly with advertising of firearms and Internet venues (like this) that discuss firearms. She wants them eliminated, gone. I find it a preposterous, but there are a lot of citizens out there that don't, never forget that.

As a whole, we need to cease the chest beating and be positive in our approach to the issues at hand. How I feel and how I will act, are 2 entirely different things. As much as they'd like to, the government will never control your thoughts and desires.

Just how I feel about current events.

 

[dogdinger]

The title of this thread is a big part of our problem......... IE "The pending gun ban" that infers that this is a foregone conclusion and you are already figuring out ways to dodge around it.. Put your energy into stopping this and not how to dodge it, because if they get this rammed through it will only be a matter of time before we are totally disarmed. STOP being defeatist!

The only reason we are having this discussion right now is because many of us had the same attitude on election day, and yes, many of you voted for the wrong party with the mistaken belief that they wouldnt dare do THAT.....well here is your payoff. Better get your heads on straight and learn from this experience. The only way to defeat this is at the ballot box. AJ

 

[etisll40]

Well said, we all (hunters) need to start writing letters and stop whining!

 

[dogdinger]

etisll40.....not jumping on you, but the second ammendment aint about hunting......its about freedom. the "we" in your post should mean any freedom loving american, whether you own a gun or not. AJ

 

[etisll40]

Yes, I stand corrected.

The spirit of this site is long range hunting though and I'm trying to defend my hunting at this site without getting too political. Len let's a lot of stuff slide here and this site isn't a referendum on politics, as politics won't further our knowledge about hunting.

Sorry...

 

[Coyboy]

Well guys listen good and I will tell you what your seeing now is just a dog and pony show.

The Republicans in the house, will most likly block this legislation/ gun ban, and the Democrats WANT this to happen.

Then the next mass shooting incedent will be used to demonize the Republican party even more. (for not preventing gun violence, they will be nick named the party of death) Along with blaming them on the fiscal problems, ect.

This will give the Dems leverage to regain the house in the 2014 election cycle.

With Obama having 2 years to push socialistic agendas the likes of which we have never seen. And with Democrats in control of the house and senate, and the strong possibility that he will have apointed 2 replacement supreme court justices to the bench. We can jjust about gaurantee an all out confiscation of all firearms.

Now you might think this sounds extreame, really, look what they are attempting now, give it 2 years and another half dozen mass shootings and the sheep will start baahaaing in unison.

Personally I think the NRA is way behind the curve on what anti-gun momentum has been aquired in the last 4 weeks, they need to start a tv ad campaign so the sheep can hear the other side of the story. Graphics that old Wayne does not appear in. Ads with concerned moms protecting there familly with a hand-gun.
Quotes from our founding fathers. High ranking law enforcement officers, stating police can't be there for you, you need to protect yourself. Statistics showing the facts on concealed carrys crime reduction/prevention.

Look deep inside yourself and prepare for the comming battle.

 

[MontanaRifleman]

Personally I think the NRA is way behind the curve on what anti-gun momentum has been aquired in the last 4 weeks, they need to start a tv ad campaign so the sheep can hear the other side of the story. Graphics that old Wayne does not appear in. Ads with concerned moms protecting there familly with a hand-gun.
Quotes from our founding fathers. High ranking law enforcement officers, stating police can't be there for you, you need to protect yourself. Statistics showing the facts on concealed carrys crime reduction/prevention.

Look deep inside yourself and prepare for the comming battle.

That's a big 10-4 ! We should be writing them as much as our reps and we need a good angle that puts reality into perspective.

 

[SidecarFlip]

I agree Jim. In fact, it's the current administrations end game. Disarm the citizens and the citizens have nothing to resist with.

We (as a whole) need to get away from the chest beating statements like 'they will never take my guns' and 'over my dead body' and statements like that. We as a group of enthusiasts need to be proactive but diplomatic.

Like I said in a previous post, the 'me' attitude needs to go away as well as the 'chest beating attitude.

You can make book on, if they (goverment) want to confiscate all the guns, they will. Resistance will be met with swift and certian judgement.

In a true Democracy, the citizens are allowed to disagree with the government and by peaceful means, change outcomes. This isn't a Democracy and hasn't been for a number of years, sad to say.

This was all coming and has been for some time, it just took the incident like Newton to set it off.

 

[MontanaRifleman]

I wouldn't say "over my dead body", But I guarantee you that I am not registering my guns or giving them up. "They" can do whatever "they" want to do about it. If every other gun owner felt and did the same, the authorities would be in quite a pickle. Can you imagine millions of arrests and/or possible armed/scuffles with otherwise law-abiding citizens. I totally agree that as individuals we are weak and strength comes from be unified and organized. When push comes to shove, that's what sticking together means something.

Back in the day, our forefathers risked everything, property and life, and the odds weren't exactly in their favor.

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. TJ

How very insightful!

As far as rhetoric goes, we need to be thoughtful in our approach. We need to be able to effectively influence and persuade. But when push comes to shove, all the rhetoric and internet forum typing doesn't mean jack if we are not willing to make a stand for our constitutional rights.

I personally don't think the gun grabbers are going to get this one through, but then again, I thought Obamacare would be struck down. We already have one very significant supreme court ruling in our favor. The proposed bans and restriction are HUGE infringements on 2nd Amendment rights. The 2nd Amendment is the LAW of the LAND period. Until they change or remove the 2nd Amendment, I will stand on that Law.

This is much more important than our individuals gun collections. We can not let them mow down Constitutional rights. The 1st Amendment will soon follow the 2nd and so on. It will be a political power coupe.

Like I said, I don't think my 2 democratic Senators, Backus and Tester will support this ban. Baucus did vote fore the 1994 AWB, so that is a little concerning, but this bill goes way beyond the 1st and it will upset a lot of Montanans. They have for the most part, voted pro gun. We need to keep the pressure on them.

 

[Joe King]

I wouldn't say "over my dead body", But I guarantee you that I am not registering my guns or giving them up. "They" can do whatever "they" want to do about it. If every other gun owner felt and did the same, the authorities would be in quite a pickle. Can you imagine millions of arrests and/or possible armed/scuffles with otherwise law-abiding citizens. I totally agree that as individuals we are weak and strength comes from be unified and organized. When push comes to shove, that's what sticking together means.

Back in the day, our forefathers risked everything, property and life, and the odds weren't exactly in their favor.



How very insightful!

As far as rhetoric goes, we need to be thoughtful in our approach. We need to be able to effectively influence and persuade. But when push comes to shove, all the rhetoric and internet forum typing doesn't mean jack if we are not willing to make a stand for our constitutional rights.

I personally don't think the gun grabbers are going to get this one through, but then again, I thought Obamacare would be struck down. We already have one very significant supreme court ruling in our favor. The proposed bans and restriction are HUGE infringements on 2nd Amendment rights. The 2nd Amendment is the Law of the LAND period. Until they change or remove the 2nd Amendment, I will stand on that Law.

This is much more important than our individuals gun collections. We can not let them mow down Constitutional rights. The 1st Amendment will soon follow the 2nd and so on. It will be a political power coupe.

Like I said, I don't think my 2 democratic Senators, Backus and Tester will support this ban. Baucus did vote fore the 1994 AWB, so that is a little concerning, but this bill goes way beyond the 1st and it will upset a lot of Montanans. They have for the most part, voted pro gun. We need to keep the pressure on them.

I'm with you on that, The new guys coming in though, I just don't know where they stand at all, hopefully their positions will be traditional for Montana

 

[SidecarFlip]

...Was over at Cabelas yesterday evening to pick up a 308 Reloading die set I ordered and of course I walked into the gun department.

I was taken back by the number of empty racks behind the counter and the abscence of some ammunition, especoally .223 factory loads and 7.62x39 Wolf steel cased junk. None anywhere. Lots of bolt action rifles but nothing in semi-auto flavor, no Ar platforms but lots of handguns. No black powder rifles either. That surprised me. Novice gun buyers haven't a clue about black powder.....

I guess what I hear is true. Alarmed citizens bought up everything in sight that smelled like an AR platform or was chambered in 223.

My buddy who owns the shop where I buy most of my firearms at said this political football was the best unpaid advertising he's ever had. He's sold out of about everything and has people coming in, that have never owned a firearm, wanting to buy one....

I had him order an extra 338 magazine for my 11-111 Savage and a 308 magazine for my 308 Savage as spares. Hope to get them sometime before 2014.....