Why???

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing' started by BenY 2013, Oct 28, 2011.

  1. BenY 2013

    BenY 2013 Well-Known Member

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    So why do most (or all) of the custom gunsmiths use remington 700 actions instead of savage actions? When I say "customs" I mean GAP...Surgeon, etc.
    I've always heard savages were just as accurate if not more than remingtons. I don't want to start the remington/savage debate:rolleyes:, just why are those actions used?
     
  2. Pons

    Pons Well-Known Member

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    Here is one that has features in common with both.

    Welcome to Shilen Rifles, Inc.
     

  3. shortgrass

    shortgrass Well-Known Member

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    GA Precision uses 700 for their Mil-Spec rifles because the ones made for the military use/were made by Remington. And, I gotta' say, a question like that is bound to stir the Rem/Sav debate (arguement?). Don't see where Surgeon uses anything but their own actions on their in-house built customs.
     
  4. J E Custom

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    Probably because there are more Remingtons than all others combined.

    Also they are simple, Easy to customize, Have the most available aftermarket parts,
    Respond well to accurizing, and look good. also the round shape of the action has its
    attributes. (One of The reason that most of the bench rest actions are round is for this ability
    to shoot accurately).

    30 or 40 years ago the 98 Mauser was the favorite action because of availability (Numbers)
    And the available parts. They also made great shooting rifles.

    Sakos were very popular but cost made them hard to justify just like the Weatherbys.

    20 or 30 years from now something else will probably be the most popular to build on.

    J E CUSTOM
     
  5. BenY 2013

    BenY 2013 Well-Known Member

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    Ok so does any company use savage style actions? I will admit remingtons do look better:D
     
  6. Greyfox

    Greyfox Well-Known Member

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    Savages were traditionally considered a low- end rifle and did not have the reputation they have built today. Remington, early on, developed a reputation for durability, ease of machining due to the design, and capable of great accuracy, particularly if optimized by a good gunsmith. As a result there numerous custom components available which adds to customization potential. Adding to all this, there are more Remington actions available on the market in used form than probably all others combined which makes it inexpensive and easy to find one for customization. This may be changing somewhat as there are numerous custom actions available today that are beefed for use in the Benchrest arena and the heavy calibers that are becoming so popular. Also, with the building reputation and penetration of Savage, many shooters are doing their own customization due to the design of the Savage which enables one to install a trued up custom barrel easily with a few relatively inexpensive tools and gauges on their home workbench.
     
  7. ICANHITHIMMAN

    ICANHITHIMMAN Well-Known Member

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    When you say "company" I will assume you mean gunsmith. The awnser is yes there are alot of gunsmiths here who will build you a rifle on a savage. There are also alot of members who have built there custom rifles off a savage action. It saves you a bit of money and they are every bit as good as the rem. The after market barrels and stocks are there in abundance.

    Two of the guys who awnsered your thread are gunsmiths I dont know if they do savage.
     
  8. BenY 2013

    BenY 2013 Well-Known Member

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    Ok I see I had just never seen any custom savages for sale.
     
  9. J E Custom

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    Normally Savages are not customized unless the owner wants them done so.

    And after you have one done Properly, they shoot as good as other customs.

    There are also smiths that have several ways that they like to do them. Some use the barrel nut
    and some don't so most don't build them for the rank and file because they may not be able to
    sell it if the customer doesent like the way it was done.

    I personally do away with the barrel nut so it cannot be tampered with and I like the look.
    Unless a person realy knows what they are doing switch barrel rifles can be trouble or even
    dangerous.

    So if you want a custom Savage have one built by a competent smith and enjoy.

    J E CUSTOM
     
  10. Dasher

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    Here's a couple the we have done. The one on the bottom is a LRPV with 204 ruger, 20 tac, and 20 Vartarg barrels. The top one has just been built recently and has 2 new Brux Barrels. It is posted in the classifieds. One in 7WSM and the other in 6.5-284.

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  11. BenY 2013

    BenY 2013 Well-Known Member

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    Is the top rifle in a McCree chasis? I love the looks of it!
     
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    It is a Mckrees. It has been cera coted drab green on most of stock and black on the cheek pieces with some gold fleck.
     
  13. BenY 2013

    BenY 2013 Well-Known Member

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    That is one amazing stock! Wish I could afford one:rolleyes:
     
  14. Trickymissfit

    Trickymissfit Well-Known Member

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    why?

    * they make more money doing a Remington or Winchester

    * that's the only action they have a clue about, just like some guys only build
    Chevys for race engines when the guy next to them has a race hemi

    Some folks decry the nut and others swear by it. Some folks don't like the trigger blade because they didn't put one on the off brand. Others don't like they way a rifle looks, but in the bush with mud splattered on it they all look about the same. Others don't like the bolt head while others do. Yet they will swear by one or the other.

    I hear folks say the looks thing everyday, and just love to laugh at them. Compair the blue job on the Ruger you love to bitch about to the off brand (s). The Ruger is better everytime. Looks are also in the eye of the beholder, and something like a Blazer or a Styer, or even a Howa makes the off brand look like a toy. In the end looks mean little, as it's the way the item functions. Kinda reminds me of a deal a few days back when some of the guys from the VfW post were all down at a private range zeroing their shotguns for deer season. I brought four shotguns with no intention of running a slug thru any of them. I was checking the zero on my turkey gun (an early Mossberg 835 with a low power scope on it.) One guys was knocking every shotgun made while he was plugging away with his 870. I was done shooting the Mossberg, and went back to the car with it, and got my Browning pump gun. Handed it to him to shoot. He said he really liked it, and I must have paid a grand for it (it wasn't a slug gun, and use it for grouse and pheasant). I told him I had about $350 in it. I shot a few clay pidgons with it, and put it up. Then went back and brought two over & unders that I really like to hunt birds with. One is extremely ugly, but it does shoot very, very well. Very light and points like an extention of your index finger. The other was an Italian built double, and is very pretty. Shoots well, but not as good as the ugly one! Then a kid shows up with a Savage bolt gun and put three three shot groups in that are all under 1 1/4" using solid copper slugs. Looks mean little if the rifle or shotgun shoots well no matter what the brand name in my book.
    gary