Why not lazzeroni rifles?

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by britz, Dec 14, 2008.

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  1. britz

    britz Well-Known Member

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    I was just talking to a guy who had a 308 warbird and it got me thinking about possible reasons why they don't seem to be very popular here. Just curious if anyone is using the lazzeroni's and/ or why not.

    Thanks for the input, Mark.
     

  2. Merlin

    Merlin Well-Known Member

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    I have been wandering about that myself.
     

  3. Varminator 911

    Varminator 911 Well-Known Member

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    Why not? Maybe it's the $5500-7000 price tag. Well lets see,
    would I rather have two custom built or one lazzeroni???
     
  4. KRP

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    I would guess it's a matter of cost. Talk to one of the smiths that frequent here and see what you could have built for $5500+. The guys here that are spending that money are most likely having rifles built to spec for them.
     
  5. KRP

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    Somebody types faster than I do.:D
     
  6. Michael Eichele

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    The price MAY be worth it if they did something amazing. Dont get me wrong they can launch projectiles with a reasonable degree of accuracy at top velocities. Problem is we can do the same or very near the same for cheaper with better brass availability.

    I am not going to shell out that kind of dough only to be limited to the cheap a$$ brass only Laz makes. Give me Lapua grade brass and we'll talk.

    Lazzeroni's (IMHO) are great for guys with too much money and know nothing about LR hunting and want to beat their chest infront of their friends and brag about how fast their bullets are.

    I have worked with some Lazzeroni calibers and it didnt seem to me that they were any real advantages to them. Accuracy was average, velocities were average for top end magnums. I just dont see the need to spend twice the cash on an average rig. A factory WBY MkV in 30-378 costs a fraction and shoots bullets with nearly identical velocities with the same crap brass.
     
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    Thanks for the conversation, but I should have been more specific. I realize that Lazzeroni rifles themselves are very price and I'm not one for spending that much (or even close to that much) on a rifle. But, the cartidges seem to have impressive balistics to have a custom rifle chambered in a warbird or a Tomahawk or something like that. I have heard that the brass was an issue and that they were perhaps a little finicky to do load depeloping for???
     
  8. Gene

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    I heard some time ago that the short mags hurt Lazzeroni sales, and certainly their price is another factor. Actually, seldom hear of them at all any more. I thought they were out of business. I would not buy one if they are going belly up. Where would you get parts, service or warranty work?
     
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    They get those impressive ballistics by useing undersized bullets that are then plated to bring them up to size. There is no Magic with them. Speed is dictated by case volume and pressure, use normal bullets and the Lazz cartirdges are no faster than a 30-378 are any other with the same powder capacity
     
  10. LazzInc

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    the Lazzeroni rifle is one of the finest bolt action hunting rifles built anywhere in the world ,,,,, and the new model 2012s can be viewed at www.Lazzeroni.com ,,,,

    if you want to pooh-pooh them solely because of price, than that is fine with me ,,,,,,, but every single part used to build the Lazzeroni rifle is THE BEST available, 100% USA made ,,, & you will work hard to duplicate this build quality from any custom rifle builder ,,,,

    our customers appreciate the quality and attention to detail of the Lazzeroni rifles, and the long range accuracy and killing power of Lazzeroni calibers like the 7.82 (.308) Warbird® ,,,,

    compared to the 30/378 WBY ? ,,, the big Lazz Warbird will do EVERYTHING the 30/378 WBY will do, but with a modern beltless case design, WITHOUT the big useless belt, and rebated rim behind the belt ,,,,

    this also allows the rifles chambered in the big Lazz Warbird caliber to hold and stagger 3 cartridges in the mag box ,,,,,

    ,,,, of course I use every bit of technology in the bullet area that I can take advantage of, it gives the Lazzeroni factory loaded ammunition an even greater advantage over the competition ,,,,

    When you are ready for that one special rifle that you can rely upon anytime, anywhere, regardless of the weather conditions... then you are ready for a Lazzeroni®.
     
  11. SidecarFlip

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    Pricing.......OUCH.

    I'm in business myself, not in this venue at all and I like to think that I offer quality products, which I obviously do because my customers say so but, in any market (including this one 'custom firearms'), any producer has to balance price between assumed value (in the builder's view) and what the market will bear for that particular item.

    Having said that, would I consider buying one (firearm), maybe, if I had the liquid assets collecting dust in the corner. However, in the current economic climate, very few people or entities have that kind of wherewithall laying around.

    Because I don't build firearms, what I'm about to say here may or may not have revelance concerning this particular product, however, if any business entity in any venue wants to stay viable, they must be compreitive to more than a minute segment of the particular group to which they offer products to and still provide a quality product. Thats how business works.

    Good luck.
     
  12. sp6x6

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    4 yr. old thread
     
  13. 300 ultra

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    Hope your better at building rifles then you are at reading. That post your commenting on is 4 years old.
     
  14. rooster721

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    I must chime-in with my 2bits on this one..

    Myself, I live up in Alberta-Canada, and among my brother, ol'man and me, we've got three Firebirds.. we were among the very first to order such rifles into Alberta - way-back-when. We went with the Lazzeroni chambering (obviously) because of the ballistics and capacity the big-casings of the Firebirds and such provide. There was no such thing as an Ultra Mag of any sort at that time.. they came along later.
    Over the years, we've loaded everything from 140gr Barnes XLC's & triple shocks, to Nosler Ballistic tips & Partitions, to Berger's VLD's of sort and Johns very own Lazerhead bullets... and it-is very true, the guns are not cheap to shoot - they're $6/shot handloaded, (HOWEVER) being we ARE NOT shooting 5 or 10 different rifles (which obviously are an even bigger cost than shooting ONE Lazzeroni) ..it suddenly isn't all-that expensive... now is it boys?

    Before anyone starts beakin' about cost and such, be it brass or initial investment or whatever.. ask yourself how many rifles are sitting in your cabinet at home.. how many are you using.. what did ALL of those combined cost you?? Do you really need "that" many???

    In our case, these rifles were to be our "main" go-to rifles for everything from Pronghorn, to elk, to whitetail, bears, be-it moose, or whatever else... you name it, they've never missed a beat - flawless A to Z. And yah, each of these rifles may hold $4-$6000 worth of investment (per guy, depending on their optics) but ya know what... they're our #1 guns, we don't have 5 or 10 or 15 rifles sitting around, we have ONE because they are that-versatile, and we know them inside-out.

    There's that old saying that comes to mind... "fear not the man with a house FULL of guns, but the man with just ONE... he likely knows it very-well"
     
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