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Why are we sending ammo to Ukraine?
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<blockquote data-quote="JimFromTN" data-source="post: 2530774" data-attributes="member: 113268"><p>I don't think LNG has anything to do with it. The Ukraine is not producing it yet and if anything this invasion could possibly speed up the process of getting LNG online in the Ukraine. There are allot of countries that would love to get their LNG from the Ukraine and I imagine they will be more than willing to help fund getting them started and helping them develop it. They will be more advanced than the Russians in that area by the time it is over. I don't think the Ukraine will ever have an issue getting aid from other countries ever again thanks to Putin. It also has nothing to do with creating a barrier to prevent invasion. Its the land locking of the Ukraine that seems to be the objective and its not to weaken the Ukraine but rather gain total control of the Black Sea. A russian general came out and said as much. It seems at this point, they have control of the region they want, they just have to convince the Ukraine to let go of it because Russia doesn't have the resources to be an occupying force. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I think its highly unlikely but it is always possible. On the face of things, the probability seems low enough that the US and Nato are willing to take the gamble as are Finland and Sweden. The why not is that it would be far too costly for Russia. They risk an all out nuclear war and there are no winners in an all out nuclear war. Its the end of the world. If it did not bring about an all out nuclear war, what are the ramifications? Would the US and other countries intervene militarily? How extreme would the sanctions become? Putin is said to be one of the richest men on the planet. Would his money be good anywhere ? Of course, he may feel once he has used a nuke, no one will have the testicular fortitude to enact any sanctions against him much less oppose him in any way. I don't think even China would stand behind him using a nuke. North Korea would probably be the only country to come out in support of it but they would still be soiling themselves over it quietly. Who knows which way the wind will blow. It seems foolish to nuke a country on your own border even if he hits the center of the country. Seems like an extreme last resort when Putin has nothing left to lose. </p><p></p><p>As for what exactly would cause him to resort to the extreme, I have no idea. It is reported that his ground forces are falling apart. Its reported that a russian soldier is dying every 4 minutes in the Ukraine. British intelligence is reporting that Russia has lost a third of their ground forces in the Ukraine. Russian troops have been executed for rebelling against their commanders. Apparently, Russian soldiers are not getting paid and they are not happy about it. Also, Russia has been using russian mercenaries which been getting paid which I imagine does not make the regulars very happy. According to reports, the mercenaries have made little difference and have had high casualty rates. That being said, even if the Ukrainians are able to push the Russians out of the Ukraine, I does not seem like Putin would use nukes but he seems a bit on the crazy side so who knows. They do have an escalate to de-escalate policy so you never know.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JimFromTN, post: 2530774, member: 113268"] I don't think LNG has anything to do with it. The Ukraine is not producing it yet and if anything this invasion could possibly speed up the process of getting LNG online in the Ukraine. There are allot of countries that would love to get their LNG from the Ukraine and I imagine they will be more than willing to help fund getting them started and helping them develop it. They will be more advanced than the Russians in that area by the time it is over. I don't think the Ukraine will ever have an issue getting aid from other countries ever again thanks to Putin. It also has nothing to do with creating a barrier to prevent invasion. Its the land locking of the Ukraine that seems to be the objective and its not to weaken the Ukraine but rather gain total control of the Black Sea. A russian general came out and said as much. It seems at this point, they have control of the region they want, they just have to convince the Ukraine to let go of it because Russia doesn't have the resources to be an occupying force. I think its highly unlikely but it is always possible. On the face of things, the probability seems low enough that the US and Nato are willing to take the gamble as are Finland and Sweden. The why not is that it would be far too costly for Russia. They risk an all out nuclear war and there are no winners in an all out nuclear war. Its the end of the world. If it did not bring about an all out nuclear war, what are the ramifications? Would the US and other countries intervene militarily? How extreme would the sanctions become? Putin is said to be one of the richest men on the planet. Would his money be good anywhere ? Of course, he may feel once he has used a nuke, no one will have the testicular fortitude to enact any sanctions against him much less oppose him in any way. I don't think even China would stand behind him using a nuke. North Korea would probably be the only country to come out in support of it but they would still be soiling themselves over it quietly. Who knows which way the wind will blow. It seems foolish to nuke a country on your own border even if he hits the center of the country. Seems like an extreme last resort when Putin has nothing left to lose. As for what exactly would cause him to resort to the extreme, I have no idea. It is reported that his ground forces are falling apart. Its reported that a russian soldier is dying every 4 minutes in the Ukraine. British intelligence is reporting that Russia has lost a third of their ground forces in the Ukraine. Russian troops have been executed for rebelling against their commanders. Apparently, Russian soldiers are not getting paid and they are not happy about it. Also, Russia has been using russian mercenaries which been getting paid which I imagine does not make the regulars very happy. According to reports, the mercenaries have made little difference and have had high casualty rates. That being said, even if the Ukrainians are able to push the Russians out of the Ukraine, I does not seem like Putin would use nukes but he seems a bit on the crazy side so who knows. They do have an escalate to de-escalate policy so you never know. [/QUOTE]
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