Which Custom Action for 6.5x.284 Build?

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  1. ovastafford

    ovastafford Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully within the next few months I want to start putting together parts for my first all out custom build. I want a 6.5x284 with an 8 twist 26" sendero contour barrel. Probably a Lilja, Hart, Broughton, Krieger, etc.... from what Iv heard cant go wrong with any of them. One thing I cant decide on is which action, Stiller, Borden, Lawton, etc......???? Any help is appreciated and I also need to decide on which smith to put it together for me so let me know what you guys think?

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  2. Gene

    Gene Well-Known Member

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    Depends on how much you want to spend. Those are all good actions. Jim Borden is top notch and in addition to making the actions, he is a great gunsmith. He would be my first choice for a complete rifle.
     

  3. shortgrass

    shortgrass Well-Known Member

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    Check out Glenn Harrisons' "Defiance" actions. They're a 'top notch' piece of work IMO.
     
  4. Boss Hoss

    Boss Hoss Well-Known Member

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    Go Krieger and a Stolle Kodiak and never look back! I have many Predators, Bat, Pythons and even Farley and this is my favorite.

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  5. 300R

    300R Well-Known Member

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    G'day mate i am a few weeks away(here's hoping anyway) from receiving my 6.5-284 build i went with a lawton 7500 s/shot action and am trying a lawton barrel for the first time,it's an 8 twist finished at 30" med palma fluted,you wont go wrong with any of the barrel and action makers you mentioned,i think it will come down to who puts it together for you.
     
  6. B23

    B23 Well-Known Member

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    Is the Defiance action basicly the same as the Nesika action? I don't own a Nesika but I've always been a big fan of their actions. Just wondering if there is any difference/s between the two other than the new name.
     
  7. shortgrass

    shortgrass Well-Known Member

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    The 'Defiance"actions I've used have been Rem. 700 clones but with the option of a feed port other than Rem. and made to much tighter specs and much stiffer. Both companies started by the same man. "Dakota Arms" bought Nesika Bay. I guess Glenn just had to start a new project! And personally, I'm glad he did. Nesika Bay made/makes some round bodied actions. I'm not sure whether Defiance is making flat bottomed actions or not. Check their web site, they are avertisers here.
     
  8. B23

    B23 Well-Known Member

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    I was pretty sure they were the same guy but wasn't sure of any and or all of the differences. Like I said, I think the Nesika is one of the sweetest looking actions I've ever seen. To bad they got mixed up with that Dakota arms mess.
     
  9. NesikaChad

    NesikaChad Well-Known Member

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    Earlier this spring I finished up a 6.5-284 on a Defiance Action. I've also used Borden, Nesika, Stolle, etc.

    They've all shot well, ran well, no worries.

    Any marquee action is going to be a great base for a rifle so long as good parts are used everywhere else and it's built by a top shelf smith.

    Good luck with your project.

    C
     
  10. NesikaChad

    NesikaChad Well-Known Member

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    Don and Norma Allen founded Dakota Arms in the early/mid 1980's. In 2003 Mr. Allen lost to his battle with cancer and passed. Norma was approached by a venture (vulture?) capitalist named Charles Kokesh. He bought the company through Technology Funding, A corporation he sat on.

    Mr. Kokesh also approached Glen Harris and Mike Allen. They were partners of sorts owning Nesika up in Washington. Charlie laid out the groundwork to purchase the company with the intention of merging it with Dakota Arms to blend the key components of both companies together; Hand craftsmanship with modern technology.

    The erosion, bankruptcy, ugliness, and loss of reputation is well documented, has been the subject of many threads/posts on forums all over the webz. That horse has been beaten enough and is now very dead. It's often said a person will reap what they sow. With Mr. Kokesh now the subject of Federal charges from the Federal Trade Commission to the tune of 40+ million dollars of investor fraud, an ensuing legal battle with the city of Santa Fe, NM over his Polo field, and recently being arrested for some sort of obstruction charge, it all points to him having a full plate at the moment. I don't think it's likely he'll be returning to the firearms industry anytime soon.

    Regarding the actions. There was a time period when the Nesika actions were suffering terribly. A material change was made and the receivers warped like bananas as a result. These were ALL recalled and the problem was corrected. Be that as it may it really caused a ruckus in the shooting community and the actions have been by and large treated like lepers ever since. Back in the "dark times" drastic measures were taken to reduce costs. It was a mistake and Nesika's reputation suffered tremendously as a result.

    Present day:

    Remington now owns Dakota Arms and Nesika. They've had it a bit over a year. A very, very ,very talented machinist has reviewed archived prints and proofed all the code for the actions. (a daunting task) He has picked it apart piece by piece and revamped the bulk of the programming. Considering that Nesika actions were produced on a relic Okuma machining center in Washington and they are now made on much more robust/modern Kitamura machines I have to think the ability to hold the tolerances that made the company famous is just as possible today.

    I've talked with the machinist there at length, looked at an early production run last spring, and they look good. Really good. That being said I personally would have no reservation with buying one for a customer build. As a former production manager for the company (Nesika hired me to manage the gunmaking effort in 2003. I left in 2006 to go to Iraq) I am fortunate to have better knowledge than most regarding the materials, manufacturing, and final assembly work. To emphasize, I'd have no reservation with building guns on these receivers. It's a good product and the guys making the components care about what they are doing. Remington is fortunate to have both companies as the employees truly care about what they do.

    Hope this helped.

    Chad


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    LongRifles, Inc.
     
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  11. toader

    toader Well-Known Member

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    Use one of these 3:

    Surgeon

    Defiance Machine

    Borden



    These 3 are top-notch actions!!!
     
  12. tbeasley

    tbeasley Well-Known Member

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    Remember u need an action with enough clearance to be a hunting action. Becarful and don't get a BR style action where as they will lock up with the finest bit of grit. Like mentioned earlier, Borden is a good one to look at. Also why do you want an 8 twist? Me and about 20 other shooters here in TX shoot a 400 yd game and we are running 8.5 twist's barrels. Brux and Kreigers mostly.