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Which bullet for deer for 6.5CM inside 400 yards?
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<blockquote data-quote="Ozzie" data-source="post: 1550800" data-attributes="member: 16710"><p>Proof? As in empirical science? There is loads of it out there and I've read some of it, done by the people who study the mortality rates and causes of death of scavengers who feed on carcasses of game shot with lead projectiles but lost by hunters and farmers. However, I trust you can find it yourself on something like Google Scholar.</p><p></p><p>Then, of course, there is the basic logic: When someone does a comparison of the mass of a bullet before shooting and after recovery in game, they brag about things like 90% retention. Well, where does the other 10% go? The basic principle of conservation of mass says it's somewhere in the carcass. I've picked out the pieces of lead I could find but it was never anywhere near the amount of loss mass.</p><p></p><p>And just so we're clear, copper is not truly non-toxic. It ought to be called less toxic. For example, lead-based bottom paints for boats were outlawed years ago. Back in the day, you used to be able to go to a harbor with Navy ships docked in it and find little growth on adjacent docks and pilings. The lead was leeching into the water and killing the surrounding barnacles, etc. Well, when they outlawed lead based bottom paints, manufacturers changed the basic metal to...you guessed it, copper. Now copper has been outlawed as too toxic for the marine environment in many places.</p><p></p><p>I will still use copper projectiles for hunting for three reasons. First, it is <em>substantially</em> less toxic than lead. Second, copper bullets typically retain most or all of their mass when shot into animals at reasonable speeds. Third, the little flecks of copper are a lot easier to see in a carcass than lead.</p><p></p><p>Don't get me wrong. I love to hunt and eat my kills and feel that, on balance, wild game contains fewer toxic substances than most domestic livestock; I just want to keep it that way. While I still wonder what's in all those plastic tips our bullets are now topped with, at least they're brightly colored and easy to find when you butcher.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ozzie, post: 1550800, member: 16710"] Proof? As in empirical science? There is loads of it out there and I've read some of it, done by the people who study the mortality rates and causes of death of scavengers who feed on carcasses of game shot with lead projectiles but lost by hunters and farmers. However, I trust you can find it yourself on something like Google Scholar. Then, of course, there is the basic logic: When someone does a comparison of the mass of a bullet before shooting and after recovery in game, they brag about things like 90% retention. Well, where does the other 10% go? The basic principle of conservation of mass says it's somewhere in the carcass. I've picked out the pieces of lead I could find but it was never anywhere near the amount of loss mass. And just so we're clear, copper is not truly non-toxic. It ought to be called less toxic. For example, lead-based bottom paints for boats were outlawed years ago. Back in the day, you used to be able to go to a harbor with Navy ships docked in it and find little growth on adjacent docks and pilings. The lead was leeching into the water and killing the surrounding barnacles, etc. Well, when they outlawed lead based bottom paints, manufacturers changed the basic metal to...you guessed it, copper. Now copper has been outlawed as too toxic for the marine environment in many places. I will still use copper projectiles for hunting for three reasons. First, it is [I]substantially[/I] less toxic than lead. Second, copper bullets typically retain most or all of their mass when shot into animals at reasonable speeds. Third, the little flecks of copper are a lot easier to see in a carcass than lead. Don't get me wrong. I love to hunt and eat my kills and feel that, on balance, wild game contains fewer toxic substances than most domestic livestock; I just want to keep it that way. While I still wonder what's in all those plastic tips our bullets are now topped with, at least they're brightly colored and easy to find when you butcher. [/QUOTE]
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