What would y'all build?

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  1. Casey Napier

    Casey Napier Well-Known Member

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    What would y\'all build?

    I am having trouble deciding exactly what I want to build. I purchased a BDL SPS 300RUM at Walmart for $400. I purchased this rifle for the action only, with the intent on building a custom rifle. I also have a Sendero HS precision long action stock that is not in use. I would like to build a packable rifle to use on an upcomming Elk hunt, next season.
    I have ran through several ideas, but I can not decide on what to build. I would like to keep the gun under 10 pounds with scope.
    Y'all give me some ideas on barrel contour, calibur, stock (as I can sale my HS precision for $200).
    Pictures would be very benificial!
    I live in KY, so the gun will also be used for Whitetail deer from time to time, and maybe a KY Elk, if I ever get lucky enough to get drawn.
    What do all the Elk hunters on this forum use?
    Thanks
    RidgeRooster
     
  2. sniper2

    sniper2 Well-Known Member

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    Re: What would y\'all build?

    A .338/300 RUM Imp 40 degree would be very impressive bullets range from 160g to past 300g enough variety to take any North American game...
     

  3. Fiftydriver

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    Re: What would y\'all build?

    RR,

    I would recommend a rifle similiar to the one in this pic:

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    Chambering is not overly important really as there are dozens of chambering that will work very well. I would recommend at least a mid sized 7mm cal magnum as a minimum up to the big 338 mags if you want that much recoil. Just remember in a lightweight rifle, the big 338 magnums will have significantly more recoil then the smaller calibers although muuzzle brakes tame recoil significantly.

    The rifle in the big is a Rem 700 long action, same as the one you have bedded in an HS Sporter stock and fitted with an HS Detachable magazine system. The barrel is a light weight #3 contour 27" Lilja fitted with a Defensive Edge Muzzle brake.

    To keep weight down I used a set of two piece Burris double dovetail bases with a set of burris signature DD rings.

    The scope is a Leupold Mk4 3.5-10x 40mm First Focal Plane with the TMR reticle. All metal is coated by Shawn Carlock in flat black teflon.

    With the Harris bipod the rifle weighs in the 9.5 lb range including sling ready to hunt with. It is easily a 1/2 mile rifle, 1000 yards is pushing it a bit with this particular rifle but it would certainly do it on elk size game.

    You could get any round in a rifle like this from a 7mm STW up to a 338 Edge or Lapua if you wanted as well. Even a 375 RUM would fit well into a rifle like this.

    With the super bullets out today there is no requirement for a 338 cal magnum for elk but they do offer more authority on impact then the smaller calibers.

    The rifle in the pic will be with me on my guided elk hunt next fall. It is chambered in my 7mm AM and loaded with the 200 gr ULD RBBT to 3150 fps I have no worries at all pointing it at a 1000 lb bull elk at any range out to 800 yards.

    You can go lighter then this but then you really start compromising on consistancy at long range so it depends on what you plan to do with the rifle.

    Good Shooting!!

    Kirby Allen(50)
     
  4. Casey Napier

    Casey Napier Well-Known Member

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    Re: What would y\'all build?

    Fiftydriver,
    What would the differance in weight be in say a #5 fluted, and a #3 non fluted? I kind of like the look and feel of a slightly larger barrrel contour, but the weight factor is very important. Would 26" or even 24" be okay in 300RUM. Would a muzzle break be the right way to go with the 300RUM in a 10 pound or less rifle? Thanks for the good advice, that is just the kind of information that will help me to make the right decision.

    RidgeRooster
     
  5. James Jones

    James Jones Well-Known Member

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    Re: What would y\'all build?

    You could shave the weight diffewrance in the #3 barrel and the #5 fluted buy using another stock , one of the carbon stocks from Lone Wolf or a light weight stock from Hightech Specialties both only weigh about a pound and a half.
    You could also trim some weight buy using a set of Tally one piece aluminum ring/bases their pretty storng and very light. Also make your brake out of Titanium instead of SS , some smiths will lighten a Rem action buy removing metal from non critical areas. Also an ADL configuration would trim some weight.

    But my bet would be on a 28" barreled 300RUM , a 200gr Accubond would be a good bullet for elk way out their.
     
  6. TMR

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    Re: What would y\'all build?

    I second what Kirby said.......He is building me a 7mmAM that is going to be a little heavier (13-14lbs), but I still have a my 7mm STW sendero that is a little lighter to pack on the steep hunts. The idea of this was for an extremely stable LR platform. I did pack my 12lb rifle quite a bit this last weekend through some pretty rough terrain for around 7-8 miles. I was not to bad, but I carry it in my Eberlestock pack. I may have Kirby build a lighter 7AM later, but we will have to see.

    If you don't want to fireform, the ultramags would be a good choice over the Allen Mags. Don't overlook the 7mm STW if you can find one. Mild recoil, and high BC bullets available. Just my 2 cents. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
     
  7. 308 nate

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    Re: What would y\'all build?

    RidgeRooster,
    I thought I would chip in with my 2 cents.
    This is how I would build it for myself and recommend for my customers.
    The Rem. 700 receiver is a good choice.
    I would start by blueprinting the receiver,meaning single point truing of locking lugs,receiver face and receiver threads and bolt face. Then I would helical flute the bolt and install an aluminum oversized bolt handle. All the above would weigh in at around 1-3/4 - 2-1/4 lbs. and would run around 275 dollar wise. Then I would install a Broughton 5C 28" light palma 284 bore 1 in 8 twist and flute the barrel for max weight reduction.You will end up in the high 3 to low 4 lb area and chamber it for 7mmwsm.and install one of my SSG V brakes for max recoil reductions and make a nurled cap for when the muzzle brake is not desired.All of the above including barrel ,chambering,threading,crowning,fluting,muzzle brake and installation would run about 725 dollar wise.
    Then the stock, the HS precision stock is a good stock and I do recommend them for the BDL configuration,but if i did not have the HS stock I personally would go with a McMillan
    ADJ HTG with adjustable comb with a molded in color combonation and then a pillar bedding job which would weigh in around the 3 lbs. stock and pillar bedding to your receiver would run around 650 dollar wise. If you were looking to save some dollars I would not hesitate to use the HS precision but would recommend skim bedding the receiver to the stock as the HS precision aluminum block to receiver is not a stress free set up by any means.The skim bedding would run around 75 dollars. I would not try to cut weight on my scope mounting as a minimum I would go with weaver grand slam bases and some good sturdy rings and would go with perhaps a longrange leupold or Mark IV with a variable up to 14 power.So with scope and mount you would be looking at the 10-12 lb range with about 1100-1650 more invested not including mounts and optics.The price differance depended on the HS precision stock versus the McMillan one. The 7mmwsm is one of my favorites for light to med. weight long range hunting. You could expect around 31 - 3300 FPS. with the 160 - 175 weight bullets. If you run the numbers on that in a ballistics program you will find it has sufficiant energy for taking even elk out to 800 yds.

    You might wonder why I recommended the WSM in the long action..It is to allow for seating your bullets out further. In my experiance the 7 ultra loading in the magazine you will see very little velocity increase with the 160's maybe 100 - 150 FPS increase and about 25 grs. more powder again just my 2 cents.
    hope your project goes well,
    308nate
     
  8. Takman

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    Re: What would y\'all build?

    A little over a year ago I had a 300 Rum built on a 700 action and even though she shoots real well out to a thousand yards I would change a few things. As she sits now she weighs in at around 9lbs with a #4 Hart 26" barrel, has a Hart brake and Mcmillan Sporter stock. I would do a 28" Krieger #6 fluted or the Broughten fluted and the Mcmillan HTG stock style. By the way, I have a 300 Win Mag that has a 4 1/2 Hart 26" barrel on a HS stock that rings out 3170 with a 180 bullet and is a tack driver. This outfit uses 26 grains less powder for the same bullet than the RUM and only gives up 180fps in velocity. Food for thought.
     
  9. Fiftydriver

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    Re: What would y\'all build?

    RR,

    With a 30 cal bore in a #5 contour barrel that is fluted you would probably be 1/2 lb heavier then a non fluted #3 contour. FOr a big 30 cal magnum like the 300 RUM it is never a bad idea to get a little more barrel mass. I am not a particularly huge fan of fluting barrels of #5 contour or smaller on calibers over 270 but many are out there with good success. I have just seen a few that had some bore dimensional problems under the flutes with these contour barrels.

    For the 300 RUM you will want 26" of barrel length. If you want 24" I woudl say drop back to the 300 Wby or Dakota or 338 RUM. THe smaller capacity of the Wby or Dakota would be better suited for the 24" barrel. Also the larger bore of the 338 will be more efficent in the shorter barrel length as well.

    A sub 10 lb rifle chambered in 300 RUM will have significant recoil. I stop short of saying severe recoil because I had one for many years that weighed 9 1/4 lbs and I had no problem shooting it as long as the shooting sessions were short enough to not induce a flinch.

    That said, I finally did brake that rifle and when I did I wondered why I put up with the recoil for that long!!!

    I like brakes though and am not offended by the increases perceived muzzle blast. That is a personal decision. If it were me yes it would have a brake.

    Kirby Allen(50)
     
  10. Casey Napier

    Casey Napier Well-Known Member

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    Re: What would y\'all build?

    Thanks for all the information!!
    Kirby, if you do not mind I would like to pick your brain a little more.
    Say I decided to go with the 338RUM, 24" barrel with break,(you do not recomend #5 contour with fluting for over 270) how about #6 fluted. Isn't the #6 contour the Rem. Sendero factory barrel contour. If it is, I could get by with using my Sendero HS Precision stock.
    Do you have a guess what the finnished product would weigh?
    Also what barrel's do you use, or recommend?
    Thanks
    RidgeRooster