what scope for long/short range AR-15

Discussion in 'Varmint Hunting' started by lamiglas, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. lamiglas

    lamiglas Well-Known Member

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    I am trying to decide what the best option is for a 16 inch and a 24 inch ar-15.

    Is there a perfect combo, that can be used for close range work (1 power red dot) but also have the ability for long range work.

    2nd question. what scopeare most of the AR guys using for prederator hunting ?

    bdc reticles (like the nikon 223) or????

    currently i have an ill reticle 3.5- 10 that i really like. i will be adding the m1 turrets to it soon. i greatly prefer dialing up, rather than a bdc reticle for most purposes but i am wondering if hunting dogs etc, is the exception due to the nature how much they move around etc?


    greatly appreciate your thoughts
     
  2. trueblue

    trueblue Well-Known Member

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    I am interested in feedback on this thread as well.
    I have been looking at the 1-4 Trijicon and the Viper PST 1-4
    You might want to look at those. Plenty of magnification for a 223 unless you are talking prairie dogs.
     

  3. NomadPilot

    NomadPilot Well-Known Member

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    Sure, but it'll cost ya. March has a 1-10x or 2.5-25x. USO has a 1.8-10x. Both have good reviews. Premier has (or is coming out with?) a 1.1-8x.

    Or you can use a normal scope of your choice of power, and put an Aimpoint in an offset mount.

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    I have a Nikon BDC 3-9 on my 223 AR, but I don't really use the BDC feature as I don't hunt in open areas with that rifle. It's a "max point blank range" zero setup instead.
     
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  4. ICANHITHIMMAN

    ICANHITHIMMAN Well-Known Member

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    Horus vision talon(or their new model)
    Nightforce 1-4
    S&D Short dot 1-4 or 1-8
    Premier recticules 1-8
    Leupold 1-4 MK4 or CQBSS
    Super sinoer 1-4
    Vortex PST 1-4
    Trijicon Accupoint

    They are all options I am leaning in the direction of the Leupold SPR MR/T scope for my AR but, I was on the Horus Vision site today and saw that have their Talon scopes marked down with the introduction of their new model. I love my HAWK so I have been thinking hard about this one.

    Mike at CS Tactical has great price on all this stuff.
     
  5. 707ace

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    I like the leupold mark 4 4.5-14x40 mildot or for long range 6.5-20x40 gun)
     
  6. PrecisionRifleBlog

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    I think the best setup is a quality long-range scope, with a small reflex sight attached. The long-range scope allows you to get some distance, but the reflex sight ensures quick target acquisition if something pops up under 100 yards. The picture below shows one example of what I'm talking about.

    I've spent a lot of thought on this. I had so many friends asking me this same question that I finally just wrote a blog post on it. In that post I show about 10 different setups that would work for both long/short range like you are talking about.

    Check out the full article here: http://precisionrifleblog.com/2013/03/07/long-range-short-range-hunting-scope-combo-setup/

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  7. snox801

    snox801 Well-Known Member

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    As stated above scope and red dot or reflex is the only way to get best of both. That is what I use works perfect. I would do the m223 scope by Nikon so you can dial up great scope, then I use 45 degree mount on the right side of scope. That way I can shoot long range and by simply rolling the rifle to the side I still have great check weld and can use the red dot. Have not come up with a better setup yet.
     
  8. Greyfox

    Greyfox Well-Known Member

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    My AR used for Coyotes has an older Leupold MK4 3x9 with a tactical milling reticle.my turret is set to go out to 600 yards. I can also use my reticle if desired for faster action, wind, and leads for the runners.
     
  9. PrecisionRifleBlog

    PrecisionRifleBlog Member

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    I completely agree. Hans Spuhr showed me the 45 degree mount at the 2013 Shot Show. After seeing it, it seems completely ideal. Like you said, you can just rotate the gun to aquire the reflex sight, and you never even have to lift your head off the cheek rest.

    I have a reflex sight mounted about the scope on my AR, and although it works ... I would do it differently now (and probably will at some point).

    Here is a photo of the 45 degree Spuhr mount setup I was talking about seeing:

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  10. notajeep

    notajeep Well-Known Member

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    I really like the mil dot. As (GreyFox) stated he does to. I've got all my hold overs and actual click values documented in my scope cap. It makes going shooting with my buddies a whole lot of fun. As for scope in spring sometime I will be changing out scopes between my AR-15 project and my M-700 308. The AR will end up with a 1" Nikon Monarch 4-16 mil dot, while the 308 will get my 30MM Sightron SIII.
     
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  11. Bman940

    Bman940 Well-Known Member

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    Depends on what your idea of longrange is? Some guys I shoot with think 200 yards is a stretch and well 300 is a hail mary. Right optics for the right job, so many choices. Being someone who works with Nikon I can tell you that I have used ALL of the M-223/P-223 scopes. I am currently shooting a P-223 3X x32 Carbine scope on my LMT 5.56 for competitions. It allows me to get on target quickly and has an excellent field of view. I am also a fan of the M-223 1-4 Point Blank Reticle which my son uses on his competition rifle. The 1x is a true 1x setting and the 4 lets you reach out to 200 yards without any adjustments. Zero at 100 and you about 1.5 in. low at 200 yards. The M-223 2-8 in either BDC or Rapid Action turret will give you the magnification to engage targets at 600 yards. I must admit, my older eyes do like at least 10 or 12 power for that kind of shooting and 16X makes 600 yards almost easy when using Nikon's M-Series reticles. I recently had the pleasure of going 10 for 10 at 500 yards using the new M-223 4-16 BDC 600 scope.
    Obviously a lot of good choices available to you, my suggestion is to look down as many tubes as you can and then buy the one that you feel will fit your needs the best. Make sure you check out Nikon's M-223 XR Ar Mount too. Built in 20 MOA .

    P-223 3X Carbine scope being used the way it was intended to be used
    http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd363/bman940/P-223%203X/spotonp2233x.jpg


    My wife practicing with M-223 1-4 Point Blank Reticle
    http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd363/bman940/M-223%201-4/KathyARPBR.jpg
     
  12. notajeep

    notajeep Well-Known Member

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    SPUHR... way over priced. At least check out Aadmount first. SWFA is where I got mine from. Yes with the 45° mount as well. If you have the money get the one piece SPUHR, Id like another.
     
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