I use the ladder method shooting 5 round groups at each charge weight. Once I'm within the velocity range I want, I look for the groups that are the tightest. Then I'll rework some more loads around those charge weights, and do them again, sort of as a check. I use grain weights of 0.3 increments initially, then 0.1 for the final testing. After that I'll play with seating depth and neck tension a bit. Geb

Ladder method over a chronograph to determine nodes (based on velocity more than impact on target). I typically use a seating depth of .015" and use .3gr powder graduations. Then I'll shoot some groups over the chrony to check the consistency. I'll fine tune with seating adjustments, but .015"-.025" is usually pretty close to optimum in my rifles and the components I use. AJ

I use the Ladder method to find nodes especially the highest velocity node. I then switch to the OCW method to find the widest node to help with temperature changes. Also I now shoot all loads out of an ice bath regardless of the time of year, except for colder days during hunting season.

Gday to all I ve heard a bit about this ladder method of handloading but cant seem to find a site to explain how to use this method. I ve also seen linked sites people have posted but cant get into them. Can anyone please tell me where i can find info on how to use this method. Thanks sniperboy

I started out doing the OCW, recently tried the ladder a few times and I'm torn between the 2. Maybe it's because the rifles have a LOT of freebore that I'm not 100% satisfied that either method is that much better than the other.

The links on those pages are no longer working. Did anyone cut and paste it to their computer for future reference?

I uploaded the document that I had saved re: the ladder test. The formatting is pretty close to the original word doc. Ladder test document Hope everyone can see this document AJ

OK here's a couple. First just to confuse things is the OCW method. Note that the OCW and ladder test folks argue quite a bit. Kind of like Ford and Chevy folks Dan Newberry's OCW Load Development System This took a bit of hunting but I tracked'r down..... Load Development I use a bastardized combination of the two, using the Ladder to get close then the OCW to get spot on. It works for me......... Good luck.

I just tried the ladder test for the first time yesterday... I used a two shot group at 200. It seems that it would be better to get out to 3 or 400 yards for a good ladder test, so I'm going to start using a combination of OCW and Ladder. I used to always pick a powder and bullet, then start doing 5 shot groups till I started seeing what I liked or had a sticky bolt... lots of wasted ammo - well, I guess I still had fun shooting paper lol!