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<blockquote data-quote="codyadams" data-source="post: 1768257" data-attributes="member: 87243"><p>I'm super glad I live in Wyoming and almost never see people at my gun range. </p><p></p><p>However one time I was at the range, I was getting my buddies Browning A-Bolt 300 wm set up for long range, he got a decent scope and wanted to go shooting with me, so I was doing load developement, starting out with a 212 ELD-X and H1000. I was at the range testing loads, had a couple promising groups. </p><p></p><p>An older gentleman, probably 60's, on a bench next to me that was shooting a nice looking semi custom remington asked what I was shooting, told him I was setting up my buddies rifle so he could do some long range shooting with me, and that it was a 300 win mag. He asked what weight bullet I was shooting, told him I was trying out the 212 eld-x. He scauffed, told me that anything heavier than a 165 in a 300 win mag is a waste unless it's being used for close range, if I wanted to shoot out to 1000 yards I really should go with a 150 grain as it will shoot way flatter. At this point I should have realized that trying to discuss the subject would be fruitless, but I am stubborn and couldn't help myself. I told him that by 1000 yards, the inefficient 150 likely has more than twice the wind drift of the 212, probably has more drop than the 212, and likely wouldn't carry enough energy or velocity to be effective on big game at 1000. The guy looked at me with a dumbfounded look like I was an idiot.....I should have just left it and carried on but couldn't, I am a firearms instructor for my agency and enjoy teaching. I said let me run the ballistics and show you what I mean. Well I ran them, a 150 sst @3300 and the 212 @2950, and sure enough, the 212 surpassed the 150 around 500 in drop, had nearly 70" less drift at 1000, and the 150 was nearly subsonic and barely carrying over 400 ft lbs at 1000. I showed my applied ballistics calculations to the guy. Even still, the guy said he didn't believe it, and told me how he dropped a bull at 900 yards with a 150 soft point out of his 300 win mag last year. </p><p></p><p>I replied with "hmm". Picked up my stuff and left. Can take a dog to water, can't make em drink.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="codyadams, post: 1768257, member: 87243"] I'm super glad I live in Wyoming and almost never see people at my gun range. However one time I was at the range, I was getting my buddies Browning A-Bolt 300 wm set up for long range, he got a decent scope and wanted to go shooting with me, so I was doing load developement, starting out with a 212 ELD-X and H1000. I was at the range testing loads, had a couple promising groups. An older gentleman, probably 60's, on a bench next to me that was shooting a nice looking semi custom remington asked what I was shooting, told him I was setting up my buddies rifle so he could do some long range shooting with me, and that it was a 300 win mag. He asked what weight bullet I was shooting, told him I was trying out the 212 eld-x. He scauffed, told me that anything heavier than a 165 in a 300 win mag is a waste unless it's being used for close range, if I wanted to shoot out to 1000 yards I really should go with a 150 grain as it will shoot way flatter. At this point I should have realized that trying to discuss the subject would be fruitless, but I am stubborn and couldn't help myself. I told him that by 1000 yards, the inefficient 150 likely has more than twice the wind drift of the 212, probably has more drop than the 212, and likely wouldn't carry enough energy or velocity to be effective on big game at 1000. The guy looked at me with a dumbfounded look like I was an idiot.....I should have just left it and carried on but couldn't, I am a firearms instructor for my agency and enjoy teaching. I said let me run the ballistics and show you what I mean. Well I ran them, a 150 sst @3300 and the 212 @2950, and sure enough, the 212 surpassed the 150 around 500 in drop, had nearly 70" less drift at 1000, and the 150 was nearly subsonic and barely carrying over 400 ft lbs at 1000. I showed my applied ballistics calculations to the guy. Even still, the guy said he didn't believe it, and told me how he dropped a bull at 900 yards with a 150 soft point out of his 300 win mag last year. I replied with "hmm". Picked up my stuff and left. Can take a dog to water, can't make em drink. [/QUOTE]
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