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<blockquote data-quote="Bart B" data-source="post: 96605" data-attributes="member: 5302"><p>Bountyhunter, I asked "Can a certain number of guns shoot the same load into .5 MOA?" </p><p></p><p>Your Answer: You bet. Are we talking that is the best groups ever shot under ideal wind conditions? Does that mean those guns will do that day in day out in match conditions, then no way or they are all owned and shot by David Tubbs......Doubt you would see that even in the Palma guns where it has to be 308 and 155 bullets.</p><p></p><p>My followup: This happened in 1991 and 1992 with Palma rifles shooting at 600 yards. Several dozen people from around the world shooting Swing, Barnard, Musgrave, Winchester and Remington actions with Border, Obermeyer, Kreiger and other barrels built by lots of 'smiths (none of which were David Tubb) commented their rifles shot half moa or less at 600 yards with Sierra 155's all with the same load.</p><p></p><p>And David Tubb is not the only person who builds and shoots very accurate rifles. In fact one or two people actually do build more accurate ones. But David shoots what he builds very, very well.</p><p></p><p>Later you say: "Any LR BR gun with dang near any load will post .5 MOA at 600 in match conditions day in day out. Will that win in 600 yd BR even if shot off a rest? No way! Got to be in the .2-.3 MOA arena and OCW will not get you there from what I have seen. Or at least on one has been able to prove it yet."</p><p></p><p>My followup: I know one has to shoot 5 shots into almost an inch to win a 600-yard BR match. But folks have shot Palma rifles at 600 yards with iron sights and put 5 shots into about an inch. I've done that myself slung up in prone. But like 600-yard BR aggregate matches, they're won with about 3-inch group aggs which is what these rifles shoot for 20 consecutive shots. From the 600-yard BR match scores I've seen, individual matches are won with groups about one half to one-third the size of aggregate matches. It's about the same with 1000-yard BR matches.</p><p></p><p>Has anybody tested a 600-yard BR rifle to see how accurate it shoots for 20 consecutive shots? I sure like to hear about the results.</p><p></p><p>It all boils down to the simple fact that there is no difference between a properly built Palma rifle and 600-yard bench rifle as far as accuracy is concerned. Do some research and you'll learn what some folks have known for years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bart B, post: 96605, member: 5302"] Bountyhunter, I asked "Can a certain number of guns shoot the same load into .5 MOA?" Your Answer: You bet. Are we talking that is the best groups ever shot under ideal wind conditions? Does that mean those guns will do that day in day out in match conditions, then no way or they are all owned and shot by David Tubbs......Doubt you would see that even in the Palma guns where it has to be 308 and 155 bullets. My followup: This happened in 1991 and 1992 with Palma rifles shooting at 600 yards. Several dozen people from around the world shooting Swing, Barnard, Musgrave, Winchester and Remington actions with Border, Obermeyer, Kreiger and other barrels built by lots of 'smiths (none of which were David Tubb) commented their rifles shot half moa or less at 600 yards with Sierra 155's all with the same load. And David Tubb is not the only person who builds and shoots very accurate rifles. In fact one or two people actually do build more accurate ones. But David shoots what he builds very, very well. Later you say: "Any LR BR gun with dang near any load will post .5 MOA at 600 in match conditions day in day out. Will that win in 600 yd BR even if shot off a rest? No way! Got to be in the .2-.3 MOA arena and OCW will not get you there from what I have seen. Or at least on one has been able to prove it yet." My followup: I know one has to shoot 5 shots into almost an inch to win a 600-yard BR match. But folks have shot Palma rifles at 600 yards with iron sights and put 5 shots into about an inch. I've done that myself slung up in prone. But like 600-yard BR aggregate matches, they're won with about 3-inch group aggs which is what these rifles shoot for 20 consecutive shots. From the 600-yard BR match scores I've seen, individual matches are won with groups about one half to one-third the size of aggregate matches. It's about the same with 1000-yard BR matches. Has anybody tested a 600-yard BR rifle to see how accurate it shoots for 20 consecutive shots? I sure like to hear about the results. It all boils down to the simple fact that there is no difference between a properly built Palma rifle and 600-yard bench rifle as far as accuracy is concerned. Do some research and you'll learn what some folks have known for years. [/QUOTE]
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