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What can't .223 kill?
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<blockquote data-quote="436" data-source="post: 391104" data-attributes="member: 16609"><p>Its true larger calibers help a little better in poorly placed shots; some times. I've heard animals cry when hit with large game cartridges as well as small ones... not saying smaller is better. The question simple is; "can they kill large game"... YES. Should you use them? That's what the ethical hunter has to decide. At one time the .22 Savage High Power was considered big medicine for the big cats, like the Bengal Tiger... I guess they, the PH's didn't know any better...??? but that didn't stop them from killing those cats with one, it worked for them... Oh yeah, a few didn't get a second chance to discuss the merits of using small calibers, but that's part of the experience of the wild.... </p><p></p><p>As for killing an Elephant with a .22 long rifle... tell me more... that's got to be some kinda trick shooting on the Dark Continent in my book. I've have a good buddy hunting in Africa right now; I'd love to email him that story...</p><p></p><p>He {my buddy} has a home in Ennis Montana and one in McKinney Texas... when he's in Texas all he does is hog hunt... using his AR15's and AR10's he say's; "he doesn't have a problem killing them with either". They kill up to 20 plus hogs a night each'…, on their hunts; and they hunt a lot!</p><p>He reloads and uses good bullets... You'd be hard pressed to convince him a .223 Rem {small calibers} doesn't kill. He's also popped his far share of deer with a .223 Rem'…, as I have... Not my choice'…, but they do kill with today's modern bullet technology. Today Barnes or Bergers .22 caliber bullet coming out of a .223 Rem type cartridge with its velocity is pretty **** tough on bone and muscle. Nothing that the big ones, with the same bullet(s) can't due better... but never the less the .22 cal has some very kick butt bullets out there these days. There are States where hunting game like deer is legal with a .223 Rem, the hunter just needs to be responsible and place the shot properly to use them humanely for hunting. It also helps to use the right rifle with this cartridge {and other similar cartridges} for a fast follow up shot. For years I hunted { Idaho Whitetail.. although I prefer my M94's in .44 Mag & .30 30} with a my 1960's Remington M760 in .223 Rem as well as my H&K M630 & AR15 SP-1 It's all about a second or third fast follow up for this type of cartridge in the field. Pumps, Semi Auto and Lever rifles… The single shots and bolts are just a little slow if you're a once a year hunter with very little range time. Lastly, it's not a JDAM' keep the range inside its ballistical foot print. </p><p> Back to the point, it can and does "kill" big game.</p><p> Just my .02</p><p> 436</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="436, post: 391104, member: 16609"] Its true larger calibers help a little better in poorly placed shots; some times. I've heard animals cry when hit with large game cartridges as well as small ones... not saying smaller is better. The question simple is; "can they kill large game"... YES. Should you use them? That's what the ethical hunter has to decide. At one time the .22 Savage High Power was considered big medicine for the big cats, like the Bengal Tiger... I guess they, the PH's didn't know any better...??? but that didn't stop them from killing those cats with one, it worked for them... Oh yeah, a few didn't get a second chance to discuss the merits of using small calibers, but that's part of the experience of the wild.... As for killing an Elephant with a .22 long rifle... tell me more... that's got to be some kinda trick shooting on the Dark Continent in my book. I've have a good buddy hunting in Africa right now; I'd love to email him that story... He {my buddy} has a home in Ennis Montana and one in McKinney Texas... when he’s in Texas all he does is hog hunt... using his AR15's and AR10's he say's; “he doesn’t have a problem killing them with either”. They kill up to 20 plus hogs a night each’…, on their hunts; and they hunt a lot! He reloads and uses good bullets... You’d be hard pressed to convince him a .223 Rem {small calibers} doesn't kill. He's also popped his far share of deer with a .223 Rem’…, as I have... Not my choice’…, but they do kill with today’s modern bullet technology. Today Barnes or Bergers .22 caliber bullet coming out of a .223 Rem type cartridge with its velocity is pretty **** tough on bone and muscle. Nothing that the big ones, with the same bullet(s) can’t due better... but never the less the .22 cal has some very kick butt bullets out there these days. There are States where hunting game like deer is legal with a .223 Rem, the hunter just needs to be responsible and place the shot properly to use them humanely for hunting. It also helps to use the right rifle with this cartridge {and other similar cartridges} for a fast follow up shot. For years I hunted { Idaho Whitetail.. although I prefer my M94’s in .44 Mag & .30 30} with a my 1960’s Remington M760 in .223 Rem as well as my H&K M630 & AR15 SP-1 It’s all about a second or third fast follow up for this type of cartridge in the field. Pumps, Semi Auto and Lever rifles… The single shots and bolts are just a little slow if you’re a once a year hunter with very little range time. Lastly, it’s not a JDAM’ keep the range inside its ballistical foot print. Back to the point, it can and does “kill” big game. Just my .02 436 [/QUOTE]
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