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What caliber 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag
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<blockquote data-quote="NZ Longranger" data-source="post: 502405" data-attributes="member: 14"><p>LTLR,</p><p>I agree that neither of these cartridges should be used for hunting at 1000 yards and beyond. It was me who said I wouldn't use either of them beyond 800 yards on big game. </p><p>But can we please just get the facts right again. You said: </p><p></p><p>Please give us the examples you're talking about. In all examples mentioned so far this is certainly not the case. The 300 does have heavy and 24 thou fatter bullets, but the rest is incorrect. The highest BC match bullet scenario - the 180gn Berger Hybrid 7mm with G1 BC of .674 (G7 .345) verses the 210gn Berger or 208gn A-Max at .632 G1 (G7 .324), both able to pushed at the same velocity by the 7mmRM and the 300WM all else being equal. </p><p></p><p>In the monolithic CE example, the 170gn 7mm with a .62 G1 BC verses the 180gn 30 can .6 G1 BC, the 300 has the velocity edge while the 7mm has the BC edge - nothing in it really.</p><p></p><p>You also said:</p><p></p><p>Yes, in perfect conditions assuming equally accurate rifles. But with the best match bullet scenario above in actual field conditions, the 7mm has the edge in bullet placement due to less drop and wind drift.</p><p></p><p>You also said:</p><p></p><p>This is quite correct, but also applies equally to the 300WM. You need to to go to larger 30 cals or ideally to the 338's for "extreme long range"</p><p></p><p></p><p>The 300WM certainly has a terminal performance advantage over the 7mmRM on large big game that you feel the 7mm's terminal performance is marginal on. This is especially so at close to medium range, but that advantage diminishes somewhat at long range - this is fact.</p><p></p><p>If someone has some factually based examples that prove different, then certainly post them up. Otherwise I'm not going to repeat the facts again, and everything else is just personal opinion. </p><p></p><p>I have no problem with anyone stating opinions, so long as the examples they use to illustrate them are factual. I'm not interesting in arguing about anyone claiming their particular such and such rifle could push this bullet at this velocity. That goes nowhere with claim and counter claim. I'm only interested in pressure tested comparisons comparing apples with apples.</p><p></p><p>Unless someone comes up with some new facts, I'm over and out on this thread as I don't want to have to keep contradicting people.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p>Greg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NZ Longranger, post: 502405, member: 14"] LTLR, I agree that neither of these cartridges should be used for hunting at 1000 yards and beyond. It was me who said I wouldn't use either of them beyond 800 yards on big game. But can we please just get the facts right again. You said: Please give us the examples you're talking about. In all examples mentioned so far this is certainly not the case. The 300 does have heavy and 24 thou fatter bullets, but the rest is incorrect. The highest BC match bullet scenario - the 180gn Berger Hybrid 7mm with G1 BC of .674 (G7 .345) verses the 210gn Berger or 208gn A-Max at .632 G1 (G7 .324), both able to pushed at the same velocity by the 7mmRM and the 300WM all else being equal. In the monolithic CE example, the 170gn 7mm with a .62 G1 BC verses the 180gn 30 can .6 G1 BC, the 300 has the velocity edge while the 7mm has the BC edge - nothing in it really. You also said: Yes, in perfect conditions assuming equally accurate rifles. But with the best match bullet scenario above in actual field conditions, the 7mm has the edge in bullet placement due to less drop and wind drift. You also said: This is quite correct, but also applies equally to the 300WM. You need to to go to larger 30 cals or ideally to the 338's for "extreme long range" The 300WM certainly has a terminal performance advantage over the 7mmRM on large big game that you feel the 7mm's terminal performance is marginal on. This is especially so at close to medium range, but that advantage diminishes somewhat at long range - this is fact. If someone has some factually based examples that prove different, then certainly post them up. Otherwise I'm not going to repeat the facts again, and everything else is just personal opinion. I have no problem with anyone stating opinions, so long as the examples they use to illustrate them are factual. I'm not interesting in arguing about anyone claiming their particular such and such rifle could push this bullet at this velocity. That goes nowhere with claim and counter claim. I'm only interested in pressure tested comparisons comparing apples with apples. Unless someone comes up with some new facts, I'm over and out on this thread as I don't want to have to keep contradicting people.:rolleyes::):D Greg [/QUOTE]
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