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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 502190" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>Greg, it is impossible to compare apples to apples in the purest sense because no two sets of combinations of barrels, bullets, powders primers and brass will shot alike. long throat, short throat, tight bore, spec bore, 10 twist, 12 twist, on and on and on. You talk about manuals and that's OK, but here's the reality... they all have varying reality. I once compared 300 RUM data for the same bullet and powder in both the Nosler and Hodgdon online manuals. I was using a Nosler bullet (200 AB) and Hodgdon powder (Retumbo I think). The Nosler online data has since been redone. One of them was listing a starting load that was higher than the other's max load. When I saw that, i started looking around for more same bullet/powder combos on those two sites and found more significant discrepancies.</p><p></p><p>With all due respect, I do not discount your findings, but your sample size is limited to your combination of components and BTW, i have no cal/cartridge preference either. I have hunted more with the 7 RM and taken more game with it than all other chamberlains put together. Granted, that was back in the day when I was pushing 160 gr NP's for most of my big game hunting other than antelope. Also, I was using IMR 4831 as it gave me the best velocity and accuracy of the powders I tried back then. With today's powders like H1000, Retumbo, RL17 and in a 26" barrel, I'm sure I could increase that velocity by 50-100 fps. Having said that, using the same powders to find the best load in the 300 WM, 26" barrel, I have little doubt . could get to 3000 fps with the 210 or 208. I have reached 2935 in my 300 WSM with the 210 and RL17 in a 24" barrel with less powder capacity. Yup, I'm quoting my experiences, just like you're quoting yours.</p><p></p><p>Now... just because Hornady didn't reach 3000 fps with the 210 or 208 doesn't mean that there is not a combination of powder and primer that will get it to 3000. Does the Hornady manual include Retumbo? Retumbo shines in the 300 WM like RL17 shines in the 300 WSM. Fact is that Hodgdon pushed a 200 NP with Retumbo at the same velocity that they pushed the 162 Hdy bullet both of which they called max loads, both with Retumbo which does very well in the 7 RM as well. Unfortunately the barrel length is not listed on the Hodgdon site.</p><p></p><p>Let's get some more honesty on the table. I really don't care for 300 WM's. Nothing wrong with them, I just don't care for belted cartridges (same goes for the 7 RM) and the 300 WM case would overly crowd a magazine vs it's powder capacity. I like WSM's, Dakotas, RUMs and such which IMO are more efficient capacity holders and burners of powder. This discussion should be about the 7WSM vs the 300WSM <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Let's move on and talk about up and coming bullets like the CE's. The 7mm 170 (.62) and the 308 180 (.6) BTW, as I'm sure you know, all three versions of the CE 180 have been test at .6 and with all due respect to Dan, I'm going to remain skeptical on that because being the same weight and cal, but different length and shape, I'm having a hard time with that. That aside, lets assume what ever version of the 180 is .6 BC. Do you honestly believe the 300 WM will not shoot the 180 AT LEAST 200 fps faster than the 7 shoots the 170, same barrel length and pressure, each with their optimum powder? I will lay odds that my WSM will shoot it at least 300 fps faster with a 2" shorter barrel.</p><p></p><p>Now this is more than just bullet weights and velocity... it's about killing animals. The quote was "... will kill anything that a that 300 WM will" In isolated anecdotal examples... maybe... and I bet I could kill a 1000lb brown bear with a 22-250. Any takers? How far is that BB gonna run? So which would you pull out of your safe to hunt brown bear with, a 300 WM loaded with a CE 180 or a 7 RM loaded with a CE 170? I don't have to think very long about that one, let alone hunting a brown bear with a 162 A Max. That was the quote.... it can kill anything.</p><p></p><p>Not only does the WM push bigger bullets faster, it makes bigger holes.</p><p></p><p>For the record, I'm not taking any of this personal and hope you or anyone else isn't either, just looking for the facts like you <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> and when someone says that the 7RM is the same as the 300WM... well that gets my attention <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 502190, member: 11717"] Greg, it is impossible to compare apples to apples in the purest sense because no two sets of combinations of barrels, bullets, powders primers and brass will shot alike. long throat, short throat, tight bore, spec bore, 10 twist, 12 twist, on and on and on. You talk about manuals and that's OK, but here's the reality... they all have varying reality. I once compared 300 RUM data for the same bullet and powder in both the Nosler and Hodgdon online manuals. I was using a Nosler bullet (200 AB) and Hodgdon powder (Retumbo I think). The Nosler online data has since been redone. One of them was listing a starting load that was higher than the other's max load. When I saw that, i started looking around for more same bullet/powder combos on those two sites and found more significant discrepancies. With all due respect, I do not discount your findings, but your sample size is limited to your combination of components and BTW, i have no cal/cartridge preference either. I have hunted more with the 7 RM and taken more game with it than all other chamberlains put together. Granted, that was back in the day when I was pushing 160 gr NP's for most of my big game hunting other than antelope. Also, I was using IMR 4831 as it gave me the best velocity and accuracy of the powders I tried back then. With today's powders like H1000, Retumbo, RL17 and in a 26" barrel, I'm sure I could increase that velocity by 50-100 fps. Having said that, using the same powders to find the best load in the 300 WM, 26" barrel, I have little doubt . could get to 3000 fps with the 210 or 208. I have reached 2935 in my 300 WSM with the 210 and RL17 in a 24" barrel with less powder capacity. Yup, I'm quoting my experiences, just like you're quoting yours. Now... just because Hornady didn't reach 3000 fps with the 210 or 208 doesn't mean that there is not a combination of powder and primer that will get it to 3000. Does the Hornady manual include Retumbo? Retumbo shines in the 300 WM like RL17 shines in the 300 WSM. Fact is that Hodgdon pushed a 200 NP with Retumbo at the same velocity that they pushed the 162 Hdy bullet both of which they called max loads, both with Retumbo which does very well in the 7 RM as well. Unfortunately the barrel length is not listed on the Hodgdon site. Let's get some more honesty on the table. I really don't care for 300 WM's. Nothing wrong with them, I just don't care for belted cartridges (same goes for the 7 RM) and the 300 WM case would overly crowd a magazine vs it's powder capacity. I like WSM's, Dakotas, RUMs and such which IMO are more efficient capacity holders and burners of powder. This discussion should be about the 7WSM vs the 300WSM :) Let's move on and talk about up and coming bullets like the CE's. The 7mm 170 (.62) and the 308 180 (.6) BTW, as I'm sure you know, all three versions of the CE 180 have been test at .6 and with all due respect to Dan, I'm going to remain skeptical on that because being the same weight and cal, but different length and shape, I'm having a hard time with that. That aside, lets assume what ever version of the 180 is .6 BC. Do you honestly believe the 300 WM will not shoot the 180 AT LEAST 200 fps faster than the 7 shoots the 170, same barrel length and pressure, each with their optimum powder? I will lay odds that my WSM will shoot it at least 300 fps faster with a 2" shorter barrel. Now this is more than just bullet weights and velocity... it's about killing animals. The quote was "... will kill anything that a that 300 WM will" In isolated anecdotal examples... maybe... and I bet I could kill a 1000lb brown bear with a 22-250. Any takers? How far is that BB gonna run? So which would you pull out of your safe to hunt brown bear with, a 300 WM loaded with a CE 180 or a 7 RM loaded with a CE 170? I don't have to think very long about that one, let alone hunting a brown bear with a 162 A Max. That was the quote.... it can kill anything. Not only does the WM push bigger bullets faster, it makes bigger holes. For the record, I'm not taking any of this personal and hope you or anyone else isn't either, just looking for the facts like you :) and when someone says that the 7RM is the same as the 300WM... well that gets my attention :cool::) [/QUOTE]
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