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What’s up with Hornady’s reloading podcast?
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<blockquote data-quote="R. Cram" data-source="post: 3086129" data-attributes="member: 116633"><p>I saw the ladder test in a High Power information book and it was developed by a very good highpower shooter 40 plus years ago, its not a new idea and he stated it needed to be done at 300 or more yards. I think 3 shot groups could show you a bad load but they might not but are totally worthless for development of a good load, their use is for typewriter competition with the other 3 shot guys, how could you compair you results with another persons if you are shooting 5 or more shots and he is shooting 3. Also I never shoot at 100 yds, out of laziness I shoot at 200, I also don't have a bench I believe I am able to shoot 1/2 min with my sling off my elbow and when I develop loads at least I am getting some meaningfull practice in as well. I read some place that a 7 round group gave almost as much statistical info as 10 so if a group looks promising a person could verify it with 7 rounds and maybe it could work out. If you check the military's procedure for ammo verifying 100 shot groups are the norm but they have much bigger checkbooks than we do. There is some truth to the fact that sometimes a load/rifle can shoot well at close range and not do well at longer range, I took my hunting rifle to a 600,800,900,and 1000 yd match last weekend and with a load that shot well at 200 it shot poorly, 196 with 4x's at 600 in calm conditions and much worse at 800, so poorly I didn't shoot it at 900 or 1000 because if the rifle won't shoot better than the shooter can then no meaningfull info can be derived from the shots.I didn't take my own advice a month ago and there was a M1 garand match I wanted to shoot in andI like shooting not load development so I made a load that shot well for 5 shots at 200 yds and wanted to believe the results so I made 500 rnds and while practicing with them I found out my 5 shot group lied to me and in reality the load won't hold the 10 ring on the nra target so now I get to pull bullets.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="R. Cram, post: 3086129, member: 116633"] I saw the ladder test in a High Power information book and it was developed by a very good highpower shooter 40 plus years ago, its not a new idea and he stated it needed to be done at 300 or more yards. I think 3 shot groups could show you a bad load but they might not but are totally worthless for development of a good load, their use is for typewriter competition with the other 3 shot guys, how could you compair you results with another persons if you are shooting 5 or more shots and he is shooting 3. Also I never shoot at 100 yds, out of laziness I shoot at 200, I also don't have a bench I believe I am able to shoot 1/2 min with my sling off my elbow and when I develop loads at least I am getting some meaningfull practice in as well. I read some place that a 7 round group gave almost as much statistical info as 10 so if a group looks promising a person could verify it with 7 rounds and maybe it could work out. If you check the military's procedure for ammo verifying 100 shot groups are the norm but they have much bigger checkbooks than we do. There is some truth to the fact that sometimes a load/rifle can shoot well at close range and not do well at longer range, I took my hunting rifle to a 600,800,900,and 1000 yd match last weekend and with a load that shot well at 200 it shot poorly, 196 with 4x's at 600 in calm conditions and much worse at 800, so poorly I didn't shoot it at 900 or 1000 because if the rifle won't shoot better than the shooter can then no meaningfull info can be derived from the shots.I didn't take my own advice a month ago and there was a M1 garand match I wanted to shoot in andI like shooting not load development so I made a load that shot well for 5 shots at 200 yds and wanted to believe the results so I made 500 rnds and while practicing with them I found out my 5 shot group lied to me and in reality the load won't hold the 10 ring on the nra target so now I get to pull bullets. [/QUOTE]
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