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What’s up with Hornady’s reloading podcast?
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<blockquote data-quote="Jud96" data-source="post: 3078894" data-attributes="member: 69478"><p>Here's my opinion on this. Hornady acts like 1/4 MOA rifles don't exist. Go to a benchrest match and see for yourself how the loading and tuning is done and the groups that are shot all weekend long. Then go to the next match and the same guys are shooting at the top, it ain't random. If you shoot a 0.250 aggregate group score, you'll be half way down the list of shooters. An aggregate in short range benchrest is x5, 5 shot groups measured for size then averaged out. The winners are shooting aggs in the 0.150-0.180 range. That's 25 shots into 3/16". I don't mean to turn this in a Benchrest conversation, I saw enough in one match to realize how things work in the real world. You couldn't go to any benchrest match, short or long, and be competitive without tuning your rifle and ammunition to be the best it can be. If you just picked a load "one grain under max and .050 off the lands" like Hornady tells you, then you're better off buying factory ammo and saving your time and don't even bother going to a match lol</p><p></p><p>To add to that, from going to matches, talking with guys in the know, and reading on these forums for years, in my opinion your load or "tune" is fluid and changes constantly. It can be a minor change that a hunter or average enthusiast wouldn't notice, or it could be a big change, but typically they start out as small problems and get worse if ignored. Things like fouling, barrel wear, brass changing, environmentals, etc are constantly changing and that's why I believe hammering 20-30 shot groups in 0.5gr increments for 10 different loads proves nothing and why the average group size for those sucks in Hornady's testing. There's a reason top level shooters are on top of their rifles and constantly tuning and testing their rifles and loads. If it was a waste of time, they wouldn't be doing it. The million dollar question is what changes the tune? What makes your "node" shift? No one knows the right answer every time, but I can tell you a lot of the top shooters I've shot with have a handle on it because a big group for them is 1/4 MOA. It's typical to change powder charge several times in one weekend in an effort to stay on top of the tune, it may be 0.2gr it might be 0.5gr. No one really understands why, but everyone at the match knows it has to be done to stay competitive and shoot tiny groups day in and day out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jud96, post: 3078894, member: 69478"] Here's my opinion on this. Hornady acts like 1/4 MOA rifles don't exist. Go to a benchrest match and see for yourself how the loading and tuning is done and the groups that are shot all weekend long. Then go to the next match and the same guys are shooting at the top, it ain't random. If you shoot a 0.250 aggregate group score, you'll be half way down the list of shooters. An aggregate in short range benchrest is x5, 5 shot groups measured for size then averaged out. The winners are shooting aggs in the 0.150-0.180 range. That's 25 shots into 3/16". I don't mean to turn this in a Benchrest conversation, I saw enough in one match to realize how things work in the real world. You couldn't go to any benchrest match, short or long, and be competitive without tuning your rifle and ammunition to be the best it can be. If you just picked a load "one grain under max and .050 off the lands" like Hornady tells you, then you're better off buying factory ammo and saving your time and don't even bother going to a match lol To add to that, from going to matches, talking with guys in the know, and reading on these forums for years, in my opinion your load or "tune" is fluid and changes constantly. It can be a minor change that a hunter or average enthusiast wouldn't notice, or it could be a big change, but typically they start out as small problems and get worse if ignored. Things like fouling, barrel wear, brass changing, environmentals, etc are constantly changing and that's why I believe hammering 20-30 shot groups in 0.5gr increments for 10 different loads proves nothing and why the average group size for those sucks in Hornady's testing. There's a reason top level shooters are on top of their rifles and constantly tuning and testing their rifles and loads. If it was a waste of time, they wouldn't be doing it. The million dollar question is what changes the tune? What makes your “node” shift? No one knows the right answer every time, but I can tell you a lot of the top shooters I’ve shot with have a handle on it because a big group for them is 1/4 MOA. It’s typical to change powder charge several times in one weekend in an effort to stay on top of the tune, it may be 0.2gr it might be 0.5gr. No one really understands why, but everyone at the match knows it has to be done to stay competitive and shoot tiny groups day in and day out. [/QUOTE]
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