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<blockquote data-quote="milanuk" data-source="post: 162589" data-attributes="member: 376"><p>Okay, I see where the misunderstanding is.</p><p></p><p>There is NRA High Power Rifle, otherwise known as 'Across The Course'.</p><p></p><p>There is NRA High Power Rifle Long Range Prone.</p><p></p><p>There is NRA High Power Rifle Mid-Range Prone.</p><p></p><p>There is NRA High Power Rifle F-Class Prone.</p><p></p><p>Across the Course, or 'Over The Course', otherwise abbreviated as 'XTC' or 'OTC' is the three-position NRA HP you seem to be thinking of. The match format is usually either a 50rd 'National Match Course' (NMC) or 80rd 'Regional Match Course' (RMC). Both are essentially the same w/ the exception of the number of rounds fired Standing and during Rapid Fire Sitting & Prone. In each, you shoot X number of rounds from Standing, no sling, @ 200yds (assuming full distance course ranges here, there are 'reduced course' formats for locations w/o the ability to shoot as far due to range limitations), X number of rounds in Sitting Rapid Fire (going from Standing to Sitting, and shooting 10rds w/ mandatory reload in 60 seconds) @ 200yds, X number of rounds in Prone Rapid Fire (same drill but 70 seconds) @ 300yds, and 20rds Prone Slowfire @ 600yds. These are the matches you see on schedules as 'NMC/50, RMC/80, Service Rifle Championship'... and you're right, they are not by design very F-class friendly.</p><p></p><p>Conventional Prone, which is currently separated into 'Mid Range' (300-600yds) and 'Long Range' (800-1000yds), usually features matches that are *all shot from the Prone slowfire position*. A common format is a 60rd Prone match, where there are three 20rd stages of 2 sighting shots + 20 shots for record. Other regions refer to the same match as a '3x600'... essentially the same thing, but some subtle rule differences that mostly don't affect F-Class shooters. 'Palma' is similar except it is 2 + 15 @ 800/900/1000yds, sometimes w/ an extra 20rd stage @ 1k. Shooters rotate between shooting, scoring, and pulling and marking targets in the pits (unless its a bigger match and paid target service is available - usually Juniors or Boy Scouts or something working as a fund raiser). But the entire match is shot *prone*. Thats why above I said '<em>go look for the 'Prone' or 'Palma' matches'.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em>To further muddy the waters... in 2007 the NRA also finally approved a set of *Fullbore* rules... so far about the only place in WA that uses them is Rattlesnake, but it doesn't discriminate against Long Range vs. Mid Range... a match format there could run 2 sighters + 10 shots @ 300, 600, 900, & 1000yds, or it could be a 300/500/600yd match at Wenatchee (very possible next year!). Again, it's still 'all prone', F-Class friendly, and more or less the same ideas... just some different rules that you can probably pick up as you go (most people do).</p><p></p><p>As for watching matches... Machias has one the second weekend of every month except maybe September and October (hunting seasons), Cascade typically every third weekend, Paul Bunyan the first weekend, Wenatchee the fourth, Rattlesnake the third, etc. Check the schedule I mentioned above for details.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="milanuk, post: 162589, member: 376"] Okay, I see where the misunderstanding is. There is NRA High Power Rifle, otherwise known as 'Across The Course'. There is NRA High Power Rifle Long Range Prone. There is NRA High Power Rifle Mid-Range Prone. There is NRA High Power Rifle F-Class Prone. Across the Course, or 'Over The Course', otherwise abbreviated as 'XTC' or 'OTC' is the three-position NRA HP you seem to be thinking of. The match format is usually either a 50rd 'National Match Course' (NMC) or 80rd 'Regional Match Course' (RMC). Both are essentially the same w/ the exception of the number of rounds fired Standing and during Rapid Fire Sitting & Prone. In each, you shoot X number of rounds from Standing, no sling, @ 200yds (assuming full distance course ranges here, there are 'reduced course' formats for locations w/o the ability to shoot as far due to range limitations), X number of rounds in Sitting Rapid Fire (going from Standing to Sitting, and shooting 10rds w/ mandatory reload in 60 seconds) @ 200yds, X number of rounds in Prone Rapid Fire (same drill but 70 seconds) @ 300yds, and 20rds Prone Slowfire @ 600yds. These are the matches you see on schedules as 'NMC/50, RMC/80, Service Rifle Championship'... and you're right, they are not by design very F-class friendly. Conventional Prone, which is currently separated into 'Mid Range' (300-600yds) and 'Long Range' (800-1000yds), usually features matches that are *all shot from the Prone slowfire position*. A common format is a 60rd Prone match, where there are three 20rd stages of 2 sighting shots + 20 shots for record. Other regions refer to the same match as a '3x600'... essentially the same thing, but some subtle rule differences that mostly don't affect F-Class shooters. 'Palma' is similar except it is 2 + 15 @ 800/900/1000yds, sometimes w/ an extra 20rd stage @ 1k. Shooters rotate between shooting, scoring, and pulling and marking targets in the pits (unless its a bigger match and paid target service is available - usually Juniors or Boy Scouts or something working as a fund raiser). But the entire match is shot *prone*. Thats why above I said '[I]go look for the 'Prone' or 'Palma' matches'. [/I]To further muddy the waters... in 2007 the NRA also finally approved a set of *Fullbore* rules... so far about the only place in WA that uses them is Rattlesnake, but it doesn't discriminate against Long Range vs. Mid Range... a match format there could run 2 sighters + 10 shots @ 300, 600, 900, & 1000yds, or it could be a 300/500/600yd match at Wenatchee (very possible next year!). Again, it's still 'all prone', F-Class friendly, and more or less the same ideas... just some different rules that you can probably pick up as you go (most people do). As for watching matches... Machias has one the second weekend of every month except maybe September and October (hunting seasons), Cascade typically every third weekend, Paul Bunyan the first weekend, Wenatchee the fourth, Rattlesnake the third, etc. Check the schedule I mentioned above for details. [/QUOTE]
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