Well it appears that a cooper is out of the question after a little research. Since i got such a "great" response to my last thread i decided to ask for suggestions on what to get. I am open to calibers as well as rifles. I am leaning to a 300 wsm or a 7mag but dont know wich rifle. I would like to keep at or under 1500 to leave me money for a good scope. Also what scope would you look at. I was thinking a swaro with a 30 mm tube and the TDS reticle. I would like a gun in the 8# range without scope. Thanks for the help in advance.