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Vortex PST or Leupold VX-3
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<blockquote data-quote="Jon A" data-source="post: 500627" data-attributes="member: 319"><p>Sorry for the delay guys, I haven't been around lately.</p><p></p><p>The Leupold 6.5-20 is one of the most common scopes around, I can't even count how many I've seen at the range. Optically they've ranged from pretty mediocre (older 1" models) to pretty decent for the latest/greatest. But remember the context--it was claimed the Leupold 20X would outperform a 24X scope "on the big end."</p><p></p><p>As you know, for a 20X scope to outperform (or even match the performance) of a 24X scope as far as seeing fine detail at long range with even "pretty decent" glass, the 20X scope needs <strong>SUPER FANTASTIC </strong>glass, which no Leupold I've ever seen has (I have never seen a VX-7, maybe they were in that category).</p><p></p><p>Could you maybe say that about a 20X S&B? Premier? Maybe IOR or SS HD? Then you may have a horserace, but all those are a pretty big notch up in glass quality.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good plan and very true. It's always good to be a bit cautious and check out sources.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Compared with the 6.5-20X50 Viper (the only one I've owned), <em><strong>my</strong></em> 4-16 PST is no better. <strong><em>My</em></strong> 6-24 PST is quite a bit better. Don't ask me why, that's just the way they are.</p><p></p><p>And of course keep in mind the original question was about the 6-24. I would not tell people to expect the 4-16 PST to be any better than the 4.5-14 MK IV/VX3 optically based upon the one I have. It has better features, more power and much bigger FOV on the low end so I think it's more scope for the money, but if you want good glass in that price/power range get a Weaver 3-15X50.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't have any experience with the first two. The Clear Ridge XP5 IIRC are made in Japan and probably of decent quality, but I never looked into them much due to lack of travel/mismatched knobs and reticle/SFP makes them a ways off from what I'm looking for. The WOTAC IIRC are made in China and as with other scopes made there I simply wouldn't trust them when tags and hunting trips are so expensive.</p><p></p><p>The Super Snipers cover quite a range. I have no experience with the "old original" fixed 10X, 16X and 20X. They have developed a reputation for pretty darn good durability and usable glass in that price range but they are lower end scopes.</p><p></p><p>The 3-9X42, 1-4X24HD and 10XHD are entirely different animals made in a different factory which are very high quality and compete well with scopes that cost a great deal more. Optically the 3-9 is pretty good and the 1-4HD and 10XHD will compete well with anything out there in those power ranges. </p><p></p><p>The upcoming big daddy Super Sniper of them all, the 5-20X50HD (which is the one most here will be interested in and the one that fits in this thread the best) is a big step up from either of the scopes asked about originally in this thread and is firmly intended to compete with the $2000 price range scopes (Vortex Razor, NF F1, etc). It will do well in those comparisons but likely cost quite a bit less.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jon A, post: 500627, member: 319"] Sorry for the delay guys, I haven't been around lately. The Leupold 6.5-20 is one of the most common scopes around, I can't even count how many I've seen at the range. Optically they've ranged from pretty mediocre (older 1" models) to pretty decent for the latest/greatest. But remember the context--it was claimed the Leupold 20X would outperform a 24X scope "on the big end." As you know, for a 20X scope to outperform (or even match the performance) of a 24X scope as far as seeing fine detail at long range with even "pretty decent" glass, the 20X scope needs [B]SUPER FANTASTIC [/B]glass, which no Leupold I've ever seen has (I have never seen a VX-7, maybe they were in that category). Could you maybe say that about a 20X S&B? Premier? Maybe IOR or SS HD? Then you may have a horserace, but all those are a pretty big notch up in glass quality. Good plan and very true. It's always good to be a bit cautious and check out sources. Compared with the 6.5-20X50 Viper (the only one I've owned), [I][B]my[/B][/I] 4-16 PST is no better. [B][I]My[/I][/B] 6-24 PST is quite a bit better. Don't ask me why, that's just the way they are. And of course keep in mind the original question was about the 6-24. I would not tell people to expect the 4-16 PST to be any better than the 4.5-14 MK IV/VX3 optically based upon the one I have. It has better features, more power and much bigger FOV on the low end so I think it's more scope for the money, but if you want good glass in that price/power range get a Weaver 3-15X50. I don't have any experience with the first two. The Clear Ridge XP5 IIRC are made in Japan and probably of decent quality, but I never looked into them much due to lack of travel/mismatched knobs and reticle/SFP makes them a ways off from what I’m looking for. The WOTAC IIRC are made in China and as with other scopes made there I simply wouldn’t trust them when tags and hunting trips are so expensive. The Super Snipers cover quite a range. I have no experience with the “old original” fixed 10X, 16X and 20X. They have developed a reputation for pretty darn good durability and usable glass in that price range but they are lower end scopes. The 3-9X42, 1-4X24HD and 10XHD are entirely different animals made in a different factory which are very high quality and compete well with scopes that cost a great deal more. Optically the 3-9 is pretty good and the 1-4HD and 10XHD will compete well with anything out there in those power ranges. The upcoming big daddy Super Sniper of them all, the 5-20X50HD (which is the one most here will be interested in and the one that fits in this thread the best) is a big step up from either of the scopes asked about originally in this thread and is firmly intended to compete with the $2000 price range scopes (Vortex Razor, NF F1, etc). It will do well in those comparisons but likely cost quite a bit less. [/QUOTE]
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