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<blockquote data-quote="SBruce" data-source="post: 518779" data-attributes="member: 21068"><p>Hello Jeff,</p><p> </p><p>I am sure they are probably getting tired of returns and are trying to fix the problems that some of the 1600's had. Good to hear they called you and were interested and willing to change stuff. </p><p> </p><p>I agree, the BP should be in something besides psi, preferebly <u>inches of HG</u>, and the ballistic curves only work out to about 500 yds........I don't plan on using either feature because of this. I'd rather have the faster recovery speed of the older LRF 1200 than the barely usable "new features".</p><p> </p><p>I never got a call, but I got a replacement that worked. Here's a copy of the letter I sent to them when my first one didn't work as it should. Feel free to pass this on to the gentleman on the phone.</p><p> </p><p><strong>My second unit seems to work as it should, happy with it so far.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p>RE: Leica Rangemaster CRF 1600</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Hello,</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I just purchased this brand new Rangemaster CRF 1600 and <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I am very disappointed!</span></span> </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I was counting on being able to extend my ranging abilities by at least a couple hundred yards beyond what I can get with an older LRF 1200 Scan model, but that hasn't been the case.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">It struggles to range small targets beyond 500 yds, where the older LRF 1200 has no problems on identical targets out to about twice that far. When the new 1600 did give readings, it was always 3 to 5 yards further than the 1200 was giving.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I use these to range small targets (deer size and smaller), and the smaller beam divergence is why I chose this CRF 1600 over the Swarovski unit. I know the Swarovski will range right up with and beyond my LRF 1200.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">To say the 1600 fell short of my expectations is an understatement. It would take 5 or 6 tries to range tree branches and limbs at 700-1000 yds......the 1200 would range on them every time. The 1200 would range an Eagle perched on a treetop at 538 yards <u>every time</u>, where the 1600 would never give a reading at all. It would range the tree itself, but not the Eagle. I tried all positions (relative to the aiming box) around the Eagle for at least 10 minutes and no luck.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Next I tried 300 gallon round fuel tanks at 680 yds. Once again, the 1200 hit them nearly every time while the 1600 never gave a reading at all.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Then I tried a 2' thick tree trunk against a yellow grass background at 809 yds. Same story; the 1200 pinged every time, and the 1600 wouldn't give a reading.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Then, I tried a row of telephone poles against the sky background. The 1600 stopped giving readings at 585 yards (1 of 10 tries I got 711 on the next pole), but I was able to get readings from the 1200 all the way out to 1089 yards, and nearly every time I pressed the button.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Next, deer at a sharp angle in a yellow grass field; 544 yards= 1200 yes, 1600 no.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Deer at a sharp angle between 750 and 785 yards= 1200 mostly yes, 1600 not at all.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Broadside deer in same yellow grass background at 614 yds= 1600 yes, 1200 yes.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Bedded deer on snowy slope at 807 yards= 1600 yes, 1200 yes.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Cut banks (3-6 feet tall) at 975 to 1047 yards= 1600 yes, 1200 yes.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Finally I decided to drive 80 miles round trip to get a new battery for the 1600 and try that.</span></span></strong></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Same story, no dice!! It was now dark, and I could just barely see the outline of trees against the snow in the cloudy moonlight. </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1200 = ping every time at 907 to 910 yards, shot about 5 times.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1600 = no ping. I tried about 8 times and couldn't get a reading.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Brown dirt road going over a snowy hillside= 1200 gave readings from 730 to 750 yds.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Same dirt road, 1600 wouldn't give a range.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">On a more positive note; The 1600 seems to have better optics, better resolution and a brighter sharper image. It is more ergonomic and easier to hold steady, the button requires less force to push, which is a plus too. The 1600 would read on 30' tall cut banks at 1450 to 1470 yards while the 1200 wouldn't (naturally). However none of these mean much if it won't range at least as far as the 1200 on identical targets!!</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I never even got the try the other features of the 1600, but they don't mean a thing either under the circumstances. The LRF 1200 has a smaller aiming box (which is nice) and is faster on recovery (which is a big plus too). These are two things I wish Leica would have kept going with the CRF model.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I would like a replacement or repair. If the replacement doesn't do as expected, then I will request a refund. If a brand new 1600 won't beat the pants off of a 6 yr old 1200, then I have no use for it. I'd be better off saving my money for a Vectronix or maybe even buying a Swarovski.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Thank you in advance,</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman'"><span style="color: #007f40"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SBruce, post: 518779, member: 21068"] Hello Jeff, I am sure they are probably getting tired of returns and are trying to fix the problems that some of the 1600's had. Good to hear they called you and were interested and willing to change stuff. I agree, the BP should be in something besides psi, preferebly [U]inches of HG[/U], and the ballistic curves only work out to about 500 yds........I don't plan on using either feature because of this. I'd rather have the faster recovery speed of the older LRF 1200 than the barely usable "new features". I never got a call, but I got a replacement that worked. Here's a copy of the letter I sent to them when my first one didn't work as it should. Feel free to pass this on to the gentleman on the phone. [B]My second unit seems to work as it should, happy with it so far.:)[/B] [B][/B] RE: Leica Rangemaster CRF 1600 [FONT=arial][FONT=times new roman][FONT=arial][FONT=arial][FONT=arial][FONT=arial][FONT=times new roman][COLOR=#007f40][FONT=arial][COLOR=#000000][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Hello,[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]I just purchased this brand new Rangemaster CRF 1600 and [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]I am very disappointed![/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]I was counting on being able to extend my ranging abilities by at least a couple hundred yards beyond what I can get with an older LRF 1200 Scan model, but that hasn't been the case.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]It struggles to range small targets beyond 500 yds, where the older LRF 1200 has no problems on identical targets out to about twice that far. When the new 1600 did give readings, it was always 3 to 5 yards further than the 1200 was giving.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]I use these to range small targets (deer size and smaller), and the smaller beam divergence is why I chose this CRF 1600 over the Swarovski unit. I know the Swarovski will range right up with and beyond my LRF 1200.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]To say the 1600 fell short of my expectations is an understatement. It would take 5 or 6 tries to range tree branches and limbs at 700-1000 yds......the 1200 would range on them every time. The 1200 would range an Eagle perched on a treetop at 538 yards [U]every time[/U], where the 1600 would never give a reading at all. It would range the tree itself, but not the Eagle. I tried all positions (relative to the aiming box) around the Eagle for at least 10 minutes and no luck.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Next I tried 300 gallon round fuel tanks at 680 yds. Once again, the 1200 hit them nearly every time while the 1600 never gave a reading at all.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Then I tried a 2' thick tree trunk against a yellow grass background at 809 yds. Same story; the 1200 pinged every time, and the 1600 wouldn't give a reading.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Then, I tried a row of telephone poles against the sky background. The 1600 stopped giving readings at 585 yards (1 of 10 tries I got 711 on the next pole), but I was able to get readings from the 1200 all the way out to 1089 yards, and nearly every time I pressed the button.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Next, deer at a sharp angle in a yellow grass field; 544 yards= 1200 yes, 1600 no.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Deer at a sharp angle between 750 and 785 yards= 1200 mostly yes, 1600 not at all.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Broadside deer in same yellow grass background at 614 yds= 1600 yes, 1200 yes.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Bedded deer on snowy slope at 807 yards= 1600 yes, 1200 yes.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Cut banks (3-6 feet tall) at 975 to 1047 yards= 1600 yes, 1200 yes.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Finally I decided to drive 80 miles round trip to get a new battery for the 1600 and try that.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Same story, no dice!! It was now dark, and I could just barely see the outline of trees against the snow in the cloudy moonlight. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]1200 = ping every time at 907 to 910 yards, shot about 5 times.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]1600 = no ping. I tried about 8 times and couldn't get a reading.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Brown dirt road going over a snowy hillside= 1200 gave readings from 730 to 750 yds.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Same dirt road, 1600 wouldn't give a range.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]On a more positive note; The 1600 seems to have better optics, better resolution and a brighter sharper image. It is more ergonomic and easier to hold steady, the button requires less force to push, which is a plus too. The 1600 would read on 30' tall cut banks at 1450 to 1470 yards while the 1200 wouldn't (naturally). However none of these mean much if it won’t range at least as far as the 1200 on identical targets!![/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]I never even got the try the other features of the 1600, but they don't mean a thing either under the circumstances. The LRF 1200 has a smaller aiming box (which is nice) and is faster on recovery (which is a big plus too). These are two things I wish Leica would have kept going with the CRF model.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]I would like a replacement or repair. If the replacement doesn't do as expected, then I will request a refund. If a brand new 1600 won’t beat the pants off of a 6 yr old 1200, then I have no use for it. I'd be better off saving my money for a Vectronix or maybe even buying a Swarovski.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Thank you in advance,[/FONT][/COLOR] [/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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