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<blockquote data-quote="JakeC" data-source="post: 2578224" data-attributes="member: 115819"><p>Exactly, away from the roads but not so far in to run into the packers, and not so far you can't get it out. If you have local contacts there's lots of people who will take time off to make a meat trip with a guy, but that's a slim chance.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>20 percent overall success is true like the gentleman said, but I need to reiterate that a vast number of tags go to residents who have no intention of getting a half mile from the truck until something is spotted. A lot more tags get used in really low density units that are open and have better terrain and weather. 5 or 6 people will go out as a team with the intention of hitting one area together hoping to get one or 2. An entire family will get tags and they'll go out only opening weekend and just drive around. For every hundred of these groups a few will get bulls, because the bulls have to be somewhere. But I wish there was a way to quantify success rate for higher effort hunters. I ran into one group who had a cow tag, two spike tags, and a buck deer tag on a LE bull unit and they had filled NONE of them in a week. I gave them an exact location of two cows .6 miles away and a trail the deer were using to move up and down the drainage and they were like NOPE and drove away.</p><p></p><p>That's not to say it's NOT tough, it is, but the success rate is skewed a little by ambition level. You certainly did just subsidize my hunt but I wouldn't call it a donation just yet. I wish we'd had this chat a month ago I'd have told you to wait for the spike tag and come with me to my cow unit. That's another thing, lots of people will also not chase spikes. They'd rather hold out years for a hoss. I get it, but those antlers really only need to be 5 inches. It's not the dream but it's real success. So lots of folks won't chase anything that isn't bugling. That's why I think a lot of adult elk get walked by every year. I mean it is a tough hunt but regular hunters get adult bulls every year. And there's no waiting period for coming, shooting a little raghorn, and learning a unit for next year.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JakeC, post: 2578224, member: 115819"] Exactly, away from the roads but not so far in to run into the packers, and not so far you can't get it out. If you have local contacts there's lots of people who will take time off to make a meat trip with a guy, but that's a slim chance. 20 percent overall success is true like the gentleman said, but I need to reiterate that a vast number of tags go to residents who have no intention of getting a half mile from the truck until something is spotted. A lot more tags get used in really low density units that are open and have better terrain and weather. 5 or 6 people will go out as a team with the intention of hitting one area together hoping to get one or 2. An entire family will get tags and they'll go out only opening weekend and just drive around. For every hundred of these groups a few will get bulls, because the bulls have to be somewhere. But I wish there was a way to quantify success rate for higher effort hunters. I ran into one group who had a cow tag, two spike tags, and a buck deer tag on a LE bull unit and they had filled NONE of them in a week. I gave them an exact location of two cows .6 miles away and a trail the deer were using to move up and down the drainage and they were like NOPE and drove away. That's not to say it's NOT tough, it is, but the success rate is skewed a little by ambition level. You certainly did just subsidize my hunt but I wouldn't call it a donation just yet. I wish we'd had this chat a month ago I'd have told you to wait for the spike tag and come with me to my cow unit. That's another thing, lots of people will also not chase spikes. They'd rather hold out years for a hoss. I get it, but those antlers really only need to be 5 inches. It's not the dream but it's real success. So lots of folks won't chase anything that isn't bugling. That's why I think a lot of adult elk get walked by every year. I mean it is a tough hunt but regular hunters get adult bulls every year. And there's no waiting period for coming, shooting a little raghorn, and learning a unit for next year. [/QUOTE]
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