Ultra Long Range Caliber?

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by DoubleGobble00, Jan 23, 2010.

  1. DoubleGobble00

    DoubleGobble00 Well-Known Member

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    I just bought a BAT 1.55 MB action with a magnum bolt face and a cheytac bolt face. What should I build for extreme long range shooting with the best wind advantage? I am thinking something like the 338 snipetac, 375 cheytac, etc. Might could trade the magnum bolt for Lapua 338 bolt. I would like to stick with the 338 bullets since they are becoming more and more available. Seems like through all my reading the 375 just gives you more thump but not more wind advantage. Velocity of the 338 seems to trump the 375.

    What would you build and why? It will be built in a McMillan A5 with painkiller muzzlebrake and jewel 2oz trigger. This will be a single shot.

    DoubleG
     
  2. liltank

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    Kirby's Allen Mag, is about the top end of a 338 cartridge. It will push a 300grn SMK to 3400+fps. That will get well out to a mile plus for anything you would like to ring or kill.

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  3. Joel Russo

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    In order to make a recommendation on an "Ultra Long Range Caliber, we really need to know what you consider ultra long range.

    The .338 Lapua will certainly take care of the itch at long range.

    Using the .408 case will give you a leg up on the Lapua.

    Your analysis when comparing the .338-.408 to the .375-.408 is right on. Yes, the .375 will offer more energy as you are carrying a larger, heavier bullet, but the current production LR bullet is fair at best. My experience in shooting both at extreme ranges, is that the .375 and the .338 are ballistic twins out to lets say 1800-2000 yards.
    That being said, it you want to step up past the Lapua, the .338-.408 is the logical choice.

    Soon there will be a few more LR .338 bullets on the market, which makes this choice that much more desirable.

    I've shot a few tiny groups with the .338-.408 and production bullets at one mile. All of my .338's on the .408 case are improved.
     
  4. B23

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    You're certainly starting out well. I don't think you can do much, if any, better than a BAT receiver. They are as good as you can get IMO.

    If a person was looking to step up to the big dog 408 based 338's Kirby's 338AM and his one stop shopping would be tough to overlook.
     
  5. Chas1

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    +1 with B23 on the BAT action and 338AM. I'm going with the BAT Model
    M155R, single shot, right bolt, dual port-left feed, right eject, spiral
    fluted bolt.
     
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  6. royinidaho

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    Ultra long range means, to me, beyond 1500 pushing 3000 yds. I suppose that this would be at rocks and stuff.

    I decided to go with the 375 Allen Mag on the large Bat action. It should be along, shortly. (I hope, I hope, I hope) Its my 67th birthday gift from me to me.:cool:

    With current major factory bullet offerings (Sierra) as stated above, the 300 SMK and 350 SMKs are twins from the 338 and 375 cals.

    However, Just a bit more development on a heavier 375 is what made the decision easy for me. Plus, Paul @ Wildcat bullets has a bit of twinkle in his eye about a 375 offering. Paul is really good to work with and will soon become a bullet maker to recon with.
     
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    This is a bit of a moot point for me as I don't have a 375 nor do I have one in the works but for those that do has anyone tried any Rocky Mountain Bullets? They have some great looking BC's.

    I have a 338LM AI on a BAT HRPIC that is nearing completion that's keeping me up at nights with thoughts of it's completion. Mine is getting a 1-10 hung on it so even when the RM Bullets do become available I won't have enough twist to use them. :(
     
  8. BountyHunter

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    stay with the 338 for now.

    No point in building a rifle for :

    1. a bullet that does not exist

    2. Offers nothing other than expense over the 338

    3. Requires an ultra fast twist which makes it a onebullet barrel.

    too many guys have been burned by wonder bullets in ultra fast twist barrels and that no bullets exist now on this forum for sure.

    If you want a 375 wait until someone comes out with a good bullet for the 375 that is readily available!

    Shoot the 338 and just rebarrel if and when the wonder bullet show up with marketable and reliable mftrs.

    BH
     
  9. liltank

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    +1, I have to agree. Right now the 375 SMK is a limited supply bullet. Once they are gone, they are gone. If you want to amp it up a bit then you jump to the 408 Chytech and the 416 Barrett. These will be your ultimate long range rifles, but components and finding the powder they use to reach their ballistics will be very pricey. You are looking at 5 to 7 dollars a shot. The 50cal is going to be the same.

    Tank
     
  10. royinidaho

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    ALSO: Right now the 375 SMK is a limited supply bullet. Once they are gone, they are gone.

    I learned from the earlier experience and have a life time supply of 350 SMKs on hand IF I shoot the rifle big game hunting only. If I go for PDs it may be a different story.:)
     
  11. Joel Russo

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    In terms of sheer accuracy, the .338-.408 will easily cover them!
     
  12. theodore

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    Is it possible to make a 50 cal send 750gr A-Max @ 4000fps? Perhaps a 50 allan magnum? :D
     
  13. BountyHunter

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    Roy

    Lot if's here and hope. Nothing wrong IF you know the pitfalls and are prepared to take it in the shorts, but normally not a practice for uninformed.

    BH
     
  14. MontanaRifleman

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    I haven't discerned from the OP if this rifle is for Hunting. GS makes some high BC nonexpanding bullets in the various calibers. There is a 355 gr 375 with a BC in the range of .9 - .8 it would probably put a hurtin' on a deer. Not sure how an elk would react to it.

    GS CUSTOM BULLETS - Specifications for use