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Trijicon®, Inc. Goes Long-Range with TARS™ High-Performance RifleScope
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<blockquote data-quote="Scot E" data-source="post: 618185" data-attributes="member: 10832"><p>I am not promoting this scope at all. In fact there are so many good scopes for 1/4 to 1/2 the price that it seems almost silly, and yes I am a FFP guy! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p>However, it is important to remember that with an FFP scope the size ratio between reticle and target stays the same throughout the power range. So if the reticle thickness is acceptable at 10x then it will be thin enough at 15, 20 or 25X as well. There is no such thing as it getting too thick at the higher powers, the ratio does not change. Not saying you don't understand this concept but I am just posting this in case there are guys trying to work their way through the FFP vs SFP concept. There is a lot of bad info out there on this and many guys have a hard time understanding the differences. </p><p></p><p>The only thing that can be said is that at the lowest power settings the center of the reticle may be too thin to see well in low light conditions. Again, this isn't because the reticle changed size in relation to the target but instead it is because the reticle size shrunk along with the target and may possibly be too thin to see well enough. Having said that, most FFP reticles at low power are very similar in size to their SFP counterparts. In fact some NF SFP reticles are thinner than popular FFP models. Also on low power FFP scopes always have an "outside" portion of the reticle that is much thicker then the "inside" measuring or aiming portion of the reticle and makes it very easy to bracket a target for close range shooting where low powers would be used. If your scope has illumination then the whole low power issue is completely a non-issue as well. </p><p></p><p>I attached some pictures of the SS 5-20x50 FFP scope. These were taken by Jon A and show the correlation of the reticle to target at various powers and distances. If you look at the last picture, 300 yard target on 20x, you can see that the center crosshair takes up a very small area on the target, maybe the size of a quarter. No issues at all with the reticle being too thick. </p><p></p><p>I don't shoot nearly as far as you do Broz so no doubt our requirements are going to be different but it isn't at all hard to see well enough to shoot big game with 9x at 600-1000 yards. I have done it a number of times. Having 15-20x seems more than adequate for almost any distance, at least for me. Maybe we are talking about what is necessary vs what is preferred? I personally would still fall on the 15x, maybe 20x at most, than anything higher. I just don't need the extra weight, size that a high power scope brings when much of its benefit is lost in a dimmer view with mirage issues. </p><p></p><p>Scot E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scot E, post: 618185, member: 10832"] I am not promoting this scope at all. In fact there are so many good scopes for 1/4 to 1/2 the price that it seems almost silly, and yes I am a FFP guy! :D However, it is important to remember that with an FFP scope the size ratio between reticle and target stays the same throughout the power range. So if the reticle thickness is acceptable at 10x then it will be thin enough at 15, 20 or 25X as well. There is no such thing as it getting too thick at the higher powers, the ratio does not change. Not saying you don't understand this concept but I am just posting this in case there are guys trying to work their way through the FFP vs SFP concept. There is a lot of bad info out there on this and many guys have a hard time understanding the differences. The only thing that can be said is that at the lowest power settings the center of the reticle may be too thin to see well in low light conditions. Again, this isn't because the reticle changed size in relation to the target but instead it is because the reticle size shrunk along with the target and may possibly be too thin to see well enough. Having said that, most FFP reticles at low power are very similar in size to their SFP counterparts. In fact some NF SFP reticles are thinner than popular FFP models. Also on low power FFP scopes always have an "outside" portion of the reticle that is much thicker then the "inside" measuring or aiming portion of the reticle and makes it very easy to bracket a target for close range shooting where low powers would be used. If your scope has illumination then the whole low power issue is completely a non-issue as well. I attached some pictures of the SS 5-20x50 FFP scope. These were taken by Jon A and show the correlation of the reticle to target at various powers and distances. If you look at the last picture, 300 yard target on 20x, you can see that the center crosshair takes up a very small area on the target, maybe the size of a quarter. No issues at all with the reticle being too thick. I don't shoot nearly as far as you do Broz so no doubt our requirements are going to be different but it isn't at all hard to see well enough to shoot big game with 9x at 600-1000 yards. I have done it a number of times. Having 15-20x seems more than adequate for almost any distance, at least for me. Maybe we are talking about what is necessary vs what is preferred? I personally would still fall on the 15x, maybe 20x at most, than anything higher. I just don't need the extra weight, size that a high power scope brings when much of its benefit is lost in a dimmer view with mirage issues. Scot E. [/QUOTE]
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