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"Traditional" LR Muzzle Loader - How?
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<blockquote data-quote="BillR" data-source="post: 171484" data-attributes="member: 462"><p><strong>Traditional Muzzleloader???</strong></p><p></p><p>When I hear someone say Traditional Muzzleloader I automatically think of a round ball gun. Something not shooting Black Powder or Roundballs to me is a modern muzzleloader. </p><p>I built muzzleloaders for a lot of years for people and with a lot of differant needs. To do what your talking about gets to be pretty tough to do and still end up with a gun that can be carried and used for hunting. </p><p>A gun that can be used for 250 yds is very doable. I'm talking a round ball gun with iron sights that can take down a deer or elk at 250 yds comfortably give or take a few yards.</p><p>First off dump the idea of the T.C. Renagade for parts. Its not going to happen. Not with what your expectations are. Not even for a very accurate 200 yd roundball gun. First off a roundball has a very low BC which means its going to shed volocity very quickly. Next, to keep your energy up to where its going to do the job on a deer or elk and do it cleanly it needs to be a fairly large round ball either a .58 or .62 will do the job. When a large roundball is used it is going to have a fair amount of drop. Its going to be a hungry SOG too. I'm talking 180 to 200 grains of 1 1/2Fg Swiss. Its going to need a good snail breech like a hawken style and a heavy barrel tapered from 1 1/4 down to 1" and at least 36"s long. Plus a lock thats fast with a fly on the tumbler. The triggers, lock, and breaching and sights will be the heart of the gun. Everything else is incidental. Having someone put it all together right will be the main thing. But when your finished you will be able to blow a hole through both sides of a deer or elk at anything under 250 yds without much of a problem. Pretty amazing guns when built right.</p><p>If you build it in a bullet gun you can stay with a smaller bullet but it will need to be a fairly heavy for caliber bullet and will also be a lot harder to load. Also slower. Stay with the standard primer and black powder. The reason that the modern ML's need the 209 is to ignite that stuff they call powder.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BillR, post: 171484, member: 462"] [b]Traditional Muzzleloader???[/b] When I hear someone say Traditional Muzzleloader I automatically think of a round ball gun. Something not shooting Black Powder or Roundballs to me is a modern muzzleloader. I built muzzleloaders for a lot of years for people and with a lot of differant needs. To do what your talking about gets to be pretty tough to do and still end up with a gun that can be carried and used for hunting. A gun that can be used for 250 yds is very doable. I'm talking a round ball gun with iron sights that can take down a deer or elk at 250 yds comfortably give or take a few yards. First off dump the idea of the T.C. Renagade for parts. Its not going to happen. Not with what your expectations are. Not even for a very accurate 200 yd roundball gun. First off a roundball has a very low BC which means its going to shed volocity very quickly. Next, to keep your energy up to where its going to do the job on a deer or elk and do it cleanly it needs to be a fairly large round ball either a .58 or .62 will do the job. When a large roundball is used it is going to have a fair amount of drop. Its going to be a hungry SOG too. I'm talking 180 to 200 grains of 1 1/2Fg Swiss. Its going to need a good snail breech like a hawken style and a heavy barrel tapered from 1 1/4 down to 1" and at least 36"s long. Plus a lock thats fast with a fly on the tumbler. The triggers, lock, and breaching and sights will be the heart of the gun. Everything else is incidental. Having someone put it all together right will be the main thing. But when your finished you will be able to blow a hole through both sides of a deer or elk at anything under 250 yds without much of a problem. Pretty amazing guns when built right. If you build it in a bullet gun you can stay with a smaller bullet but it will need to be a fairly heavy for caliber bullet and will also be a lot harder to load. Also slower. Stay with the standard primer and black powder. The reason that the modern ML's need the 209 is to ignite that stuff they call powder. [/QUOTE]
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