TORN - Remington? Savage? Or?

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by Shooter5, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. Shooter5

    Shooter5 Member

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    Hello All,
    First of all, any advice will be greatly appreciated. I am in the market for a 22-250. I am looking for advice on what brand I should go with. I am trying to choose between the Remington 700 SPS in S/S and possibley a Savage. I have a lot of experiance with the Remingtons in other calibers but have never owned or shot a Savage. Any thoughts? (Also, if there is a better make than I have listed please share.) Thanks Again!!gun)
     
  2. green 788

    green 788 Well-Known Member

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    If both rifle brands are typical, the Remington will shoot very well... and the Savage will shoot better still.

    If you're ever going to build the gun, the Remington will probably be the better option, as that's the base that most 'smiths are familiar and most comfortable with.

    But if you want to shoot it as is, right from the box, the Savage is almost certain to be the better performer.

    Savages have button rifled barrels... a toggling bolt head that does not need to be lapped, the barrel nut makes for a more rigid barrel/receiver union (on average)... the lock time is shorter, it'll be pillar bedded and free floated... and the Accutrigger is pretty nice as well. The whole industry has been trying to catch up with Savage for about 10 years now...

    Dan
     

  3. Scot E

    Scot E Well-Known Member

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    Look at Howa as well. They haven't been playing catchup to anyone. Their out of the box accuracy is top notch. CZ is another one that is very good out of the box albeit a bit more expensive.

    Scot E.
     
  4. submoa

    submoa Well-Known Member

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    I would go with the savage to build too because you don't need a smith you just need a nut wrench, vice ,go/nogo gage, and some know how and you can do it all your self and save the smith cost to put in the rifle :) but your right no the rest

    P.S. f you do go savage look at the model 12 varmint low profile great looking gun :)
     
  5. Greyfox

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    I got a Savage Predator in 22-250 a couple of years ago. Handloads or factory, it shoots .25-.5 MOA. Great trigger, nice barrel weight, good balance,
     
  6. steever

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    In the past two years I have bought four rifles. 2 Remington 700's and two Savage model 11's with accutriggers. With in Six months both Remingtons got new stocks to get the barrel to free float, and rest both in an aluminum full bedding block for more riggity and better consistancy. They cost $275 (including shipping) . Both savages are as they were the day they left the factory. Now after the additional cost to the Remingtons they all shoot wonderfully. I have no hard feelings with Remingtons and own a number of 700s and plan on buying more in the future (if the price is right). But IMO Savage has a better equiped more accurate rifle out of the box at a lower initial expense to the buyer. They require nothing more then some quality glass and a little range time to qualify as a great shooter.
     
  7. Sully2

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    My own 22-250 is the VLS model...with the laminated wood stock. After 2 boxes of factory ammo thru it...the 3rd box gave me 3 shot groups I can cover with a dime at 100 yds. 6-18X Leupold on it.

    I owned 1 SPS model...a 243. My hands were black withing 5 minutes of getting it from that nasty cheap finish coming off the metal. I had it 1 day before sending it off to be rebarreled to 260 caliber HB and bought the factory remingtom VLS stock for it. It now shoots 3 shots touching at 100 yds

    Savage? Dont own one...dont want one. Ask around about the firing pin hanging up inside the bolt..!!!....:rolleyes:
     
  8. Greyfox

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    I own 6 Savage center fires with over 2000 rounds through them and know of 20 there's owned at my club for quite a while. Never seen this problem.
     
  9. Sully2

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    I know of 2 guys that together own 3 of them. Both have had it happen and its a strange thing for sure...no real reason why? ( such as a burr of bend pin or ??..) but it can and does happen.

    And..as I said...I dont own one and I dont want one. What you buy is up to you! Google it if you dont believe me!
     
  10. Daveinjax

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    I have purchased both in the last couple of years and I will not be buying any more Remingtons. Finnish peeling off stock , scope mounting holes out of alainment , action face not square , bolt handle solder only good on a quarter of the area and came off , so much free bore ypu could put another half a bullet on top and still not reach the lands. Savages .... no problems and shoot great right from the box.
     
  11. Joe King

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    My savage 22-250 has always shot great from the start. The original factory barrel didn't seem to care much about what I fed it it shot everything well (if that load was going to shoot at all), now it's wearing a Shilen and it definitely shoots better than I can. With a little looking around your going to find that there's no shortage of aftermarket parts and upgrades made for a savage.

    My daughters 7mm-08 came with the worst barrel I've ever seen but after fire lapping it, it's a shooter too.

    I've never had a Remington 700 but after the problems I've seen cropping up with them over the years, and Remington's approach to those problems I don't think I'll be buying one, if I ever do I'll be buying a new trigger group for it before anything else.
     
  12. Trickymissfit

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    If the rifles were completely identical except for the barrels alone, I'd buy the Savage. It comes with a twelve twist barrel instead of the fourteen twist that Remington so dearly loves. Plus you can buy the Savage in a 1:9 twist if you want to use high B/C bullets. I like the 12BVSS-S single shot bolt gun as it's a little stiffer and you shoot slower with it allowing the barrel to stay cooler. The Savage has a better trigger and stock design (but could be even better).
    gary
     
  13. Trickymissfit

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    Howa uses a 14 twist barrel
    gary
     
  14. Trickymissfit

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    I own two Savages in 22-250, and had another one at one time (stolen from me). The one that was stolen would shoot consistent .25" groups and would dip into the 3/16" area from time to time. The newer one started out shooting in the mid twos with hand loads built for the other one. The otherone is also a mid two's rifle on a good day, and is always sub .30". Can't get there with a factory Remington without spending another $1000. And to add to this, I've yet to ever see a Savage with a firing pin problem in the last fifteen years of owning them. Plus I've been around a hundred of them at least. I would buy one in the 1:9 twist to shoot 75 grain bullets in if it were me
    gary