Time for the next step. The scope?

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by RangerBrad, Mar 23, 2011.

  1. RangerBrad

    RangerBrad Well-Known Member

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    Hey fellas, 25-06 project is in the shop getting it's make over. This is my very first attempt at long range equipment and shooting. I have considered it for a long time but, am only now making the move.
    I figure my next purchase is a scope. I really like the idea of BDC turrets with the exception of change in P.O.I. when change in temp and elevation.
    The other option is a ballistic calculator. Thats great as I could run diffrent loads. The bad part is the time involved in setting up for a shot.
    I am considering the vortex scope and turrets set up by gunwerks. Any advice yal can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thank's, Brad
     
  2. Buffalobob

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    [QUOTEThe bad part is the time involved in setting up for a shot. ][/QUOTE]

    It is a problem and only you can decide. I wiill give you an example which is fairly common.

    I was deer hunting this Fall and had a buck in easy range. But I wanted a video of it so I got the camera on the buck and running. Then I got behind the rile but by that time the buck was gone. So how do I feel? Do I regret not killing one more animal because it walked off while I was goofing around or am I OK with the fact that I could have made an easy shot on one more deer but didn't.
     

  3. RangerBrad

    RangerBrad Well-Known Member

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    Thank's for the come back. I'm wondering if one is more accurte than the other. How do correct a BDC turret for altitude , temp etc...? The turret may be built in Cody Wy. in summer but I am shooting it in Oklahoma in winter. How does that work? Brad
     
  4. demoIL

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    Poi change may be quite minor in most situations.. For hunting and for taking most ethical shots I think the dial is faster and may be the better of the two options.. IF your shooting smaller targets from a gosh darn long ways off then usually you have time to sit and read a piece of paper and dial in... etc..

    With the ballistic turret your poi can change just from day to day in the same place with extreme temperature changes so it may not be perfect no matter how hard you try.. To answer your question you would have to have a turret engraved for summer WY and another for winter OK..

    If your going past that, p-dogs or paper for example then I like the ballistic programs for precise shooting.. Use common sense when hunting and you'll be ok.. Personally I like the simplicity of laser engraved turrets as I'm not really capable of shooting much over 400 or 500 yards.. I have friend who can shoot his 338 edge accurately at over 1000 yards though, he uses the ballistic program and has a NightForce scope set up for that type of shooting..

    Just my take, good luck man.. Enjoy it either way.
     
  5. pyroducksx3

    pyroducksx3 Well-Known Member

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    why the gunwerks scope turrets? Vortex offers the same thing through thier website since you're getting a vortex scope
     
  6. RangerBrad

    RangerBrad Well-Known Member

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    The reason I'm considering the Gunwerks option is because I am brand new to all of this and the gunwerks option allows me to actually send them my rifle and they will gather the data build the turret and proof it afterwords so I know when I go to the range it will be operating as it should without me having to second guess what I done wrong. Brad
     
  7. WyoElk2Hunt

    WyoElk2Hunt Well-Known Member

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    I have a Greybull Precision (Leupold) on my 2506 and am very happy with it. For hunting I think the BDC is the best way to go for long range targets with plenty of time to make adjustments maybe the BC is the best. You can have different BDC turetts built for different altitudes. Greybullprecision.com they can also set up your rifle with a load.
     
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  8. liltank

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    Vortex customer service is top notch. I got to talking with the guy that made the video on how to use the LRBC program. He was quite helpful and willing to answer all my questions. I would suggest calling them and find out if they will accept your rifle and do the ground work for you.

    As I read the one comment about the BDC being built by Gunwerks. Sounds like you do all your hunting in OK. Nice state, but tooooo flat for this PA boy. Spent some time OK City. Went to the Spaghetti Barn. Good food, but I digress. You should have some idea of what the winter temps are like there. I would get all the info that is necessary for Vortex. The LRBC and the instructional video's make it quite easy to understand. My next Vortex will more than likely be the PST. If you get a Vortex, that is the one to go with IMO!:cool:

    Take Care,
    Tank
     
  9. joseph

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    I bet this will be a lot of $$$ not well spent. What you need to do is go to the range and zero your rifle at the distance you want it. Then shoot it at 100 yd distances out to 400 yds. Measure how much each distance drops from your zero. This will give the turret maker the actual ark that your bullet makes as it goes down range fired from "YOUR" rifle. You also have to tell the maker what weight & style bullet you will be shooting.

    The turret maker will make his computer program match your ark of bullet. This is how Vortex did mine and it is "dead nuts" accurate. :D:D:D

    Testing new Vortex custom turret. - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

    joseph
     
  10. JeffP40

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    I'm with joseph. What you want Gunwerks to do, is the stuff you should be doing to learn how to shoot your rifle. By the time you work up a load and find out where it hits at distance, you will know what the adjustments should be. Then you can tell Vortex what you have. The money you would have spent at Gunwerks is better spent shooting and learning the rifle. I don't think you will have to worry much about changes in point of impact. You will probably will not have much altitude change, so density altitude should not be a problem. The temp. change should be easy to judge, especilly with temp. stable powders. Besides, I would rather do the shooting myself, it is definitely more productive than my luck hunting!
     
  11. RangerBrad

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    I appreciate yals replies, this all seems like good advice. The rifle will be travelling though, as I live in West central Arkansas and hunt here quite a bit but also hunt central Oklahoma several times a year, then hunt other places out west at least once a year (Canadian Tx. last year and New Mexico/Arizona this year and who knows in the years to come). This is a really hard choice as It is always better to do it right the first time than to redo it. There are good and bad both ways. I don't like the idea of playing on the PDA while in the field but I also don't like the idea of being confined to one bullet and load and concerened about the accuracy of my scope turrets everytime the weather changes or I'm traveling to diffrent elevations to hunt. Though cost is important, it is not the overriding factor. I have found that good equipment and good service up front will actually save money in the end.No telling how many thousands of dollars I have spent on absolute junk gear that is nothing more than a paper weight and ended up buying the best later anyway and found my success go through the roof. The best equipment may not make up for lack of knowledge but, sorry equipment will make even the best hunter unsuccesful. I have a few months to make a decision though and apprciate yals thoughts. Brad
     
  12. joseph

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    Incase you are interested my original drop chart was made in upstate Georgia at an elevation of 750 ft. and then I checked my zero in north east Wyoming and the elevation was close to 6,000 feet. The difference in POI was only 1 inch.

    joseph
     
  13. RangerBrad

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    That is very interesting Joseph. I figured it would be a larger diffrence. Was that at 100yds? Brad
     
  14. joseph

    joseph Well-Known Member

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    It was at my 200 yd zero.

    http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=574886&highlight=

    joseph

    PS: After we checked our rifles I tripped and fell hitting the scope pretty hard. A while later when there were no antelopes within about 2 miles I had two shots at two coyotes. The first was at 155 yds. and the other was at 400 yds. I dropped both of them on the first shot each using the custom turret after getting the distance with the laser range finder. I ranged in yards and the turret is calibrated in yards. Makes it easy.
     
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