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Thoughts on SST's(long)
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<blockquote data-quote="rost495" data-source="post: 29780" data-attributes="member: 1768"><p><strong>Re: Thoughts on SST\'s(long)</strong></p><p></p><p>Jon A</p><p></p><p>Nice pics! Seeing those just jarred me a bit. I'm different than a lot of folks on these pages. The X does just what it needs to for me. It expands. Sometimes more, sometimes less depending on speed etc.. But it will always penetrate if I hit bone that I don't intend to. I'd rather have the caliber size penetration(a 338 is a decent size hole already) than to have the bullet come apart. The only thing I have used the plastic tips for is devastating head shots. But if I make a mistake with them and hit a shoulder(if I was using them for that) or have to take a raking shot, then I"m either destroying too much meat or not penetrating the way I need to.</p><p></p><p>Lets just say my philosophy may be a lot different than most. And its probably because I'm mostly a bowhunter. So I expect to trail. And I really enjoy the trailing portion as much as the other aspects. I'm dejected when they fall in sight.</p><p></p><p>That being said I used a 225 X flat base for 802. First shot was about 3 inches behind the front leg about half way up. It got both lungs and a major lobe of the liver. The lung holes were about thumb size. The liver hole was a bit larger with many more fractures. You know how liver reacts to bullets. The bull went about 20 yards in bad shape and stopped again. My spotter thought that the first shot was pretty low in the cavity so I held a bit higher and that shot broke the spine. Both were pass throughs. The cavity was full of blood.</p><p></p><p>2nd bull was with 230 FS that my friend shot. Only about 400 yards but the first shot hit the shoulder high. Plenty of expansion. Exit was about the size of a quarter. He got up again as I expected( I was spotting and telling him what to do) and the second shot broke his spine. A bit more expansion. Both total pass throughs. He shot him a 3rd time when we got there with my 44 airweight and 180 jhps. That one did not pass through. Lesson learned there. Use larger pistol bullets.</p><p></p><p>I get into a lot of shooting testing 223 ammo at 600 plus yards. I get lots of questions as to why something works or doesn't. I'm not that type of person. If it works great and I use it. I don't pay much attention to a chrono. I rely on the results of the groups on paper and the scores they net.</p><p></p><p>Its the same reason I use the X mostly. I dont' know why, but for me I've had no failures with them ever. I've had failures with lead tipped rounds. And with plastic tipped rounds. So I end up using what works. Same in my bowhunting. Failures with all the new open on impact type heads. Cut on contacts have always worked the best and so I keep using those heads.</p><p></p><p>Differences keep the world turning right.</p><p></p><p>Jeff</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rost495, post: 29780, member: 1768"] [b]Re: Thoughts on SST\'s(long)[/b] Jon A Nice pics! Seeing those just jarred me a bit. I'm different than a lot of folks on these pages. The X does just what it needs to for me. It expands. Sometimes more, sometimes less depending on speed etc.. But it will always penetrate if I hit bone that I don't intend to. I'd rather have the caliber size penetration(a 338 is a decent size hole already) than to have the bullet come apart. The only thing I have used the plastic tips for is devastating head shots. But if I make a mistake with them and hit a shoulder(if I was using them for that) or have to take a raking shot, then I"m either destroying too much meat or not penetrating the way I need to. Lets just say my philosophy may be a lot different than most. And its probably because I'm mostly a bowhunter. So I expect to trail. And I really enjoy the trailing portion as much as the other aspects. I'm dejected when they fall in sight. That being said I used a 225 X flat base for 802. First shot was about 3 inches behind the front leg about half way up. It got both lungs and a major lobe of the liver. The lung holes were about thumb size. The liver hole was a bit larger with many more fractures. You know how liver reacts to bullets. The bull went about 20 yards in bad shape and stopped again. My spotter thought that the first shot was pretty low in the cavity so I held a bit higher and that shot broke the spine. Both were pass throughs. The cavity was full of blood. 2nd bull was with 230 FS that my friend shot. Only about 400 yards but the first shot hit the shoulder high. Plenty of expansion. Exit was about the size of a quarter. He got up again as I expected( I was spotting and telling him what to do) and the second shot broke his spine. A bit more expansion. Both total pass throughs. He shot him a 3rd time when we got there with my 44 airweight and 180 jhps. That one did not pass through. Lesson learned there. Use larger pistol bullets. I get into a lot of shooting testing 223 ammo at 600 plus yards. I get lots of questions as to why something works or doesn't. I'm not that type of person. If it works great and I use it. I don't pay much attention to a chrono. I rely on the results of the groups on paper and the scores they net. Its the same reason I use the X mostly. I dont' know why, but for me I've had no failures with them ever. I've had failures with lead tipped rounds. And with plastic tipped rounds. So I end up using what works. Same in my bowhunting. Failures with all the new open on impact type heads. Cut on contacts have always worked the best and so I keep using those heads. Differences keep the world turning right. Jeff [/QUOTE]
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