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<blockquote data-quote="Wile E Coyote" data-source="post: 688067" data-attributes="member: 28381"><p>Brent, Yes I have looked at the bore on 2 occasions when a scope was available in tha past year or so. </p><p> </p><p>The first instance was with a Savage 99, .308 when I used a Tubb final finish kit on it. This was also the first time I had viewed a chanber and bore with a scope. I had bought the rifle about 25 years ago and it sat in the back of the closet until I moved in 2006. That's when I started to use it every deer season. It would shoot somewhere between 1 and 2 MOA off a bag with factory ammo. In the field it was more like 3 or 4 MOA off a log or rock ect. I thought it could be better and was about to send it off to the gunsmith for a checkup, re-crown, or a new barrel. Someone suggested the Tubb kit and not having much to lose, I sent for one to try. To see the improvement in the barrel of this gun was dramatic. despite an initial cleaning with Hoppes #9, with patches, a bronze brush and a muzzle guide, one could still see a lot of dirt and debris in the corners of the grooves. After each of the 5 steps in the kit we looked again and could see improvement each time. Today the 99 shoots about 1 MOA or so in the field and less on a bench. And that's with the original factory creepy, crawley trigger that has about 3/4" of sear engagement and about 1/2 ton of pull weight. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p> </p><p>Earlier this past spring The same bore scope was used to look in the bore of my 7mmRM with a Hart barrel. This is the rifle I was referring to in the original post of this thread and, if it's important, as of this moment, the barrel has 267 rounds through it. The barrel had been cleaned 2 days earlier with Hoppes #9 and patches until clean. Then one patch with a little Kroil which I dry patch out before shooting. After a dry patch, one could see a little (very little compared to the 99 above) fouling in the grooves with more near the chamber and less at the muzzle end. What did surprise me was the amount of debris in the neck and shoulder area of the chamber. Later after firing a few rounds and performing my usual cleaning it looked about the same as earlier. The bore and chamber are clean but there is a small amount of junk in the corners, nooks and crannys. </p><p> </p><p>Since I'm about out of #9, I'm open to and going to try the Boretech product Broz mentioned earlier using the same regimen he outlined. Thanks Broz.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wile E Coyote, post: 688067, member: 28381"] Brent, Yes I have looked at the bore on 2 occasions when a scope was available in tha past year or so. The first instance was with a Savage 99, .308 when I used a Tubb final finish kit on it. This was also the first time I had viewed a chanber and bore with a scope. I had bought the rifle about 25 years ago and it sat in the back of the closet until I moved in 2006. That's when I started to use it every deer season. It would shoot somewhere between 1 and 2 MOA off a bag with factory ammo. In the field it was more like 3 or 4 MOA off a log or rock ect. I thought it could be better and was about to send it off to the gunsmith for a checkup, re-crown, or a new barrel. Someone suggested the Tubb kit and not having much to lose, I sent for one to try. To see the improvement in the barrel of this gun was dramatic. despite an initial cleaning with Hoppes #9, with patches, a bronze brush and a muzzle guide, one could still see a lot of dirt and debris in the corners of the grooves. After each of the 5 steps in the kit we looked again and could see improvement each time. Today the 99 shoots about 1 MOA or so in the field and less on a bench. And that's with the original factory creepy, crawley trigger that has about 3/4" of sear engagement and about 1/2 ton of pull weight. :D Earlier this past spring The same bore scope was used to look in the bore of my 7mmRM with a Hart barrel. This is the rifle I was referring to in the original post of this thread and, if it's important, as of this moment, the barrel has 267 rounds through it. The barrel had been cleaned 2 days earlier with Hoppes #9 and patches until clean. Then one patch with a little Kroil which I dry patch out before shooting. After a dry patch, one could see a little (very little compared to the 99 above) fouling in the grooves with more near the chamber and less at the muzzle end. What did surprise me was the amount of debris in the neck and shoulder area of the chamber. Later after firing a few rounds and performing my usual cleaning it looked about the same as earlier. The bore and chamber are clean but there is a small amount of junk in the corners, nooks and crannys. Since I'm about out of #9, I'm open to and going to try the Boretech product Broz mentioned earlier using the same regimen he outlined. Thanks Broz. [/QUOTE]
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