The evolution of the hunting bullet

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by Cutting Edge Bullets, Jun 20, 2013.

  1. Cutting Edge Bullets

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  2. lloydsmale

    lloydsmale Well-Known Member

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    send me some for free and ill shoot a dozen deer with them this fall and let you know how they really work ;)
     

  3. MudRunner2005

    MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member

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    Damn right....I can't afford $2.00 a piece projectiles for practice work to get the load dialed in, then hunt with them. If I could load them up, and they be perfectly dialed in.....Sure I'd probably buy a box b/c they'd last me a couple years. I just can't justify it when my Berger VLD's are shooting ultra-tight cloverleafs and I can get twice as many for half as much.

    I am sure the CE bullets are phenomenal! I have heard nothing buy positive and exemplory remarks about them....But as much as I like to shoot, I just don't make that kind of scratch to shoot stuff that expensive. Don't get me wrong....I'd love to be able to shoot them, since I hear so much good stuff, but that's just not in the budget the way I keep buying more guns and building more... LOL

    Like he said, send me a box of the heaviest 7mm's you got and I'll develop a load and whack some whitetails with them this year, and report back. :D
     
  4. lloydsmale

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    heck as much shooting and hunting as i do i cant even afford bergers. Sierras, hornadys, speer and noslers for me and about 99 percent of them are just there cup and core bullets. I guess ill worry about it when they start letting me down.
     
  5. tuck2

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    I started reloading ammo in 1953. Over the years bullets have become game weight specific and also to handle the higher bullet velocities from mag rifles. When I first get a different rifle I find an accurate reload for it and then purchase additional components to last me for some time. My main big game rifles are a 270 Win, 308 Norma Mag, and 340 Weatherby Mag. Before going big game hunting I shoot a three shot 100 yard group to check the sites . Most of the time I have not needed to make any changes to my reloads. Some years ago I shot three rounds at a target with the 308 Norma Mag then fired three more rounds to take a pronghorn, mule deer, and elk. Most all of my shots with the 270, 308 Norma, and 340 W Mag has ben a one shot kill, never seen a reason to change bullet, primer, powder, or case brands from my first reloads. I do try new different bullets, powder, primers, and cases in my varmint rifles. I try to get the varmint rifles to shoot one half inch 100 yard groups. There has ben a vast improvement in varmint bullets and powder since I started reloading so I try them but my 220 Swift still likes the old IMR 4064 powder with the bullets I use.-- My big game rifles shot 1 1/2 inch or less groups and the bullets killed the game so I never tried the newer bullets.
     
  6. lloydsmale

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    Tuck id bet your one of the rare ones here. Id bet most of us are constanting fooling with loads and have mulitple guns were doing that in.
     
  7. Beng

    Beng Well-Known Member

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    Didn't Lutz Möller start building quite similar bullets a few years ago?
    Btw your advertisment is too humble, pls season it with a few more superlatives.
     
  8. varmintH8R

    varmintH8R Well-Known Member

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    Wow, that's a pretty chippy welcome for a new site sponsor . . . I don't think their marketing is any more ridiculous that most of the other companies marketing (successfully) their toys to guys like me.

    I think the concept is a good one on paper (benefits of monolith + energy transfer of traditional). It will be interesting to see if it ends the endless LRH debate on the subject (I'll bet not). Regardless, I'll buy a box to try on game for that reason, and because they sponsor a site where I glean tons of advice from people smarter than me, for free...

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  9. Beng

    Beng Well-Known Member

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    I'm just not very fond of ridiculously exaggerated advertisment, regardless who makes it. Especially the use of the term "revolutionary" pisses me off. The bullets will be probably a nice addition to the short to mid-range bullet market.
    They aren't anything new though, there are a alot of fragmenting bullets on the market.
    If they didn't look like a G1 Projectile with added boat-tail, I'd probably test them.
     
  10. Varberger757

    Varberger757 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly! Moeller started first with copper - bullets (KJG) and went then over to brass - bullets (MJG). Brass = Messing in German (M). Moellers bullets have an enormous reputation in Europe, both for their tremendous and outstanding speed, precision and effect on game. The bullets from Cutting - Edge are looking like, sorry but true, identical copies of Moellers bullets...
    Moellers sides are available on the internet.
     
  11. Beng

    Beng Well-Known Member

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    The Raptors definatly aren't copies and Möller's reputation is quite contoversely discussed in Germany. His bullets are leadfree and fragmenting though, have plastic tips and he has been selling them for about a decade, maybe even longer.

    Again, no intention on my side to bash CEB in general.
    I just don't like this sort of advertisement, it's just the same exaggeration that got us all the extremly inflated BCs (talking generally, not CEB) we have been seeing until recently.
     
  12. elkaholic

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    Well, lets give them a chance and then critique the results. I have never been a big proponent of anything but cup and core, and in fact, prefer pure copper and lead, but that doesn't mean everything else stinks. I know, as one who makes bullets, it gets spendy when you start doing anything more than a simple stroke with the bullet press. Tuck is right about a lot of the "old stuff" being as good as what we now have and has been loading even longer than me:D. I think some of the biggest gains for long range guys like us has been in the b.c. department. What I DO NOT WANT TO HAPPEN is manufacturers starting to put down anything but monos because certain states can only shoot those! I'm not suggesting cutting edge is doing that!.....Rich
     
  13. Joe King

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    Any step no matter how small or big in the direction of advancing the tech, be it bullets, powder, primers, or case design ect, is aces in my book. Hell when I started shooting LR lazer rangefinders, wind meters had just hit the market and where way to expensive for the common guy, and you where developing drop cards (that ended up being a book) just for the different conditions, even then much of what we can precisely account for now, was still estimation then. even when a new product hits the market that is little more than an older idea tweeked a little, it's still a step in the right direction. Though there are some things coming out I personally do not agree with, they are inevitable.