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Rifles, Reloading, Optics, Equipment
AR15/10 Rifles
the 5.56 vs 308 debate
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<blockquote data-quote="jpd676" data-source="post: 644752" data-attributes="member: 27751"><p>First off, </p><p></p><p>I think you aren't in touch with reality. As far out in left field as the "Zombie" movement is, you are equal to them if you post comments like this:</p><p></p><p>"I dont think people understand what a real life "SHTF" situation is going to be. If it does happen it is most likely going to be the government coming down on us.</p><p>So all your "battles" are going to most likely be between you/us and cops/governmental agents.."</p><p></p><p>"So in a real all hell breaks loose scenario and the unconstitutional police are fighting against the people..."</p><p></p><p>I am a police officer and I became a cop to protect people's constitutional rights, not to circumvent them or take them away. I was not born a police officer and I sure as hell don't intend to die as one, especially not taking away guns from citizens. </p><p></p><p>As far as a SHTF scenario, I would consider someone breaking into your home to kill/rob/rape...you would fit into this category. The 308 wins if energy is your consideration but you also have to consider over penetration. The 5.56 can be effective with the right bullets but a 55 gr projectile doesn't rank high on a kill a human immediately scale. There is a book called "Trigger Men," I forget the author, that talks about the kill power of a 223 loaded with 77gr smk's being similar to a 308 out to 600 yards. It is an excellent read that changes the debate. Ammo selection in the 5.56 can be a night and day difference. </p><p></p><p>From a cop that won't go to war with you unless you fire the first shot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jpd676, post: 644752, member: 27751"] First off, I think you aren't in touch with reality. As far out in left field as the "Zombie" movement is, you are equal to them if you post comments like this: "I dont think people understand what a real life "SHTF" situation is going to be. If it does happen it is most likely going to be the government coming down on us. So all your "battles" are going to most likely be between you/us and cops/governmental agents.." "So in a real all hell breaks loose scenario and the unconstitutional police are fighting against the people..." I am a police officer and I became a cop to protect people's constitutional rights, not to circumvent them or take them away. I was not born a police officer and I sure as hell don't intend to die as one, especially not taking away guns from citizens. As far as a SHTF scenario, I would consider someone breaking into your home to kill/rob/rape...you would fit into this category. The 308 wins if energy is your consideration but you also have to consider over penetration. The 5.56 can be effective with the right bullets but a 55 gr projectile doesn't rank high on a kill a human immediately scale. There is a book called "Trigger Men," I forget the author, that talks about the kill power of a 223 loaded with 77gr smk's being similar to a 308 out to 600 yards. It is an excellent read that changes the debate. Ammo selection in the 5.56 can be a night and day difference. From a cop that won't go to war with you unless you fire the first shot. [/QUOTE]
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