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<blockquote data-quote="Brent" data-source="post: 30501" data-attributes="member: 99"><p>"My" only purpose for the thread, initially, was so I could read your thoughts and experiences with various bullets at various terminal velocity. <img src="http://images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I would like to be able to assoicate a specific bullet in your experiences with them, with the terminal velocity, and it's also its effects on the animal (read wound and reaction to being struck at that range), whether it be you figuring out what the terminal velocity would have been on the shot or you post the range and MV so I can figure it out. </p><p></p><p>I would just like to get a deeper look into this and learn from you guys things I may not have yet learned in this respect. </p><p></p><p>Of course, anything along these lines, and conclusions you have drawn, as you guys have posted I would love reading about also. <img src="http://images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Here's a few of mine -</p><p></p><p>Moose 2yr old-</p><p>640yd</p><p>416wby</p><p>400gr A-Frame</p><p>2650 fps MV</p><p>1330 fps TV</p><p></p><p>Moose dropped instantly. Broke front shoulder exited off side, 1-2" hole.</p><p>Lungs tore up, lost about 5-10 lbs of meat maybe from wind blowing the shot into the shoulder. </p><p></p><p>.....</p><p></p><p>Very big moose, 59", old bull -</p><p>Same gun, same load.</p><p>240yds approx..</p><p>2070 fps TV</p><p>.770" dia average, recovered bullet.</p><p></p><p>Bull dropped instantly, never twitched.</p><p>Bullet stopped under the hide, very large wound channel across back and one side. Lost probably 5 lbs of meat is all thou.</p><p>Bull was quartered toward me a bit and I was above him 150 ft or so on a hill.</p><p>Bullet entered just over the shoulder, missed everything vital, traveled just over the spine and through the offside scapula.</p><p></p><p>My son had just tagged him in the lungs with his 308, but he jumped and ran about 75' and I dumped him when he turned to look back. Brad could no longer see him from his position on the ground with the bipod, as the bull moved between some trees and him and he couldn't make the offhand shot, he was 11yrs old and not too steady yet.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what killed him first, shock to spine and central nervous system, or the lung shot caught up to him about then, or both. He dropped like lightning struck him tho. 308 bullet never recovered, typical lung shot with half of them pulverized on top, bullet never left chest cavity. 165gr SGK SPBT at 2650 fps quartering away shot entered mid ribcage at 200yds, 2250 fps TV.</p><p></p><p>.....</p><p></p><p>3yr old Moose -</p><p>Same 416WBy</p><p>30 foot shot</p><p>400gr XLC</p><p>2600 fps MV</p><p></p><p>Hit the bull right behind the ear in spine. He dropped instantly.</p><p>Lost no meat to speak of, as planned. <img src="http://images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> </p><p>2" exit hole.</p><p></p><p>.....</p><p></p><p>5' Black Bear -</p><p>Same 416, same XLC load</p><p>10' shot</p><p></p><p>Bears (twins I think) came running down the mountain to my tent just after I cleaned dishes from lunch, and I heard them comming fast. I thought it was a Moose getting chased off the mountain.</p><p>I spotted the black fur ball at about 30yrds, then I glimpsed the other bear 20 feet away from him behind a bush, he was comming around to my left, the other through the brush straight at me with the tent in between us. I had the crosshairs on the one in front of me, just as I saw the one bear come out 10 feet away at my left, the other poked his head out of the brush at the tent in my sight, I put a bullet in his chest and chambered another. The other bear turned and bolted like lightning up the mountain, 200ft away in 3-4 seconds tops! The bear I shot just dropped lifeless!</p><p>Bullet went in the chest and out the gut and into the ground, never did find the bullet. Ahhhh.... the bear was tore up internally pretty bad, 1-2" exit and a stinkin mess! </p><p></p><p>.....</p><p></p><p></p><p>The 416Wby kills hard and fast, at least out to the ranges I've used it at. </p><p>Bullet expansion with the 400gr A-Frame was obviously less at 640yds, as it passed through more bone, and at least as much tissue as the 200yd shot did, but exited after doing so. Probably not too surprising... </p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll wright some more kills up and post again later. </p><p></p><p>Michael - Shane -</p><p>Will you give the details of the kills there too? And if you have more.... <img src="http://images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>You guys start typin some out too. <img src="http://images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>[ 01-12-2004: Message edited by: Brent ]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brent, post: 30501, member: 99"] "My" only purpose for the thread, initially, was so I could read your thoughts and experiences with various bullets at various terminal velocity. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] I would like to be able to assoicate a specific bullet in your experiences with them, with the terminal velocity, and it's also its effects on the animal (read wound and reaction to being struck at that range), whether it be you figuring out what the terminal velocity would have been on the shot or you post the range and MV so I can figure it out. I would just like to get a deeper look into this and learn from you guys things I may not have yet learned in this respect. Of course, anything along these lines, and conclusions you have drawn, as you guys have posted I would love reading about also. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] Here's a few of mine - Moose 2yr old- 640yd 416wby 400gr A-Frame 2650 fps MV 1330 fps TV Moose dropped instantly. Broke front shoulder exited off side, 1-2" hole. Lungs tore up, lost about 5-10 lbs of meat maybe from wind blowing the shot into the shoulder. ..... Very big moose, 59", old bull - Same gun, same load. 240yds approx.. 2070 fps TV .770" dia average, recovered bullet. Bull dropped instantly, never twitched. Bullet stopped under the hide, very large wound channel across back and one side. Lost probably 5 lbs of meat is all thou. Bull was quartered toward me a bit and I was above him 150 ft or so on a hill. Bullet entered just over the shoulder, missed everything vital, traveled just over the spine and through the offside scapula. My son had just tagged him in the lungs with his 308, but he jumped and ran about 75' and I dumped him when he turned to look back. Brad could no longer see him from his position on the ground with the bipod, as the bull moved between some trees and him and he couldn't make the offhand shot, he was 11yrs old and not too steady yet. I'm not sure what killed him first, shock to spine and central nervous system, or the lung shot caught up to him about then, or both. He dropped like lightning struck him tho. 308 bullet never recovered, typical lung shot with half of them pulverized on top, bullet never left chest cavity. 165gr SGK SPBT at 2650 fps quartering away shot entered mid ribcage at 200yds, 2250 fps TV. ..... 3yr old Moose - Same 416WBy 30 foot shot 400gr XLC 2600 fps MV Hit the bull right behind the ear in spine. He dropped instantly. Lost no meat to speak of, as planned. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] 2" exit hole. ..... 5' Black Bear - Same 416, same XLC load 10' shot Bears (twins I think) came running down the mountain to my tent just after I cleaned dishes from lunch, and I heard them comming fast. I thought it was a Moose getting chased off the mountain. I spotted the black fur ball at about 30yrds, then I glimpsed the other bear 20 feet away from him behind a bush, he was comming around to my left, the other through the brush straight at me with the tent in between us. I had the crosshairs on the one in front of me, just as I saw the one bear come out 10 feet away at my left, the other poked his head out of the brush at the tent in my sight, I put a bullet in his chest and chambered another. The other bear turned and bolted like lightning up the mountain, 200ft away in 3-4 seconds tops! The bear I shot just dropped lifeless! Bullet went in the chest and out the gut and into the ground, never did find the bullet. Ahhhh.... the bear was tore up internally pretty bad, 1-2" exit and a stinkin mess! ..... The 416Wby kills hard and fast, at least out to the ranges I've used it at. Bullet expansion with the 400gr A-Frame was obviously less at 640yds, as it passed through more bone, and at least as much tissue as the 200yd shot did, but exited after doing so. Probably not too surprising... I'll wright some more kills up and post again later. Michael - Shane - Will you give the details of the kills there too? And if you have more.... [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] You guys start typin some out too. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [ 01-12-2004: Message edited by: Brent ] [/QUOTE]
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