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<blockquote data-quote="Darryl Cassel" data-source="post: 1169" data-attributes="member: 34"><p>Hello Warren</p><p></p><p>The only response I can make to your excellent suggestion on bullet performance is from actual killing of over 125 deer and 30 elk mostly by me on the deer and some of the elk by my friends hunting with me.</p><p></p><p>My actual testing is field testing only and has been successful for me and the friends I hunt with. We used the poor animal as our first live test many years ago and it proved out to be very accurate over the years.</p><p></p><p>In field dressing all of those animals, I have only had two bullets that were recovered from two of the elk. Each one of those bullets had gone through one shoulder and lodged itself just inside the hide on the other side of the elk. They entered the elk on a "facing away" slightly angle. The bullets were pealed back in four even segments and half of the lead core was still there.</p><p></p><p>All the rest of the animals had small entrance bullet holes and large exit wounds from the size of a grapfruit to that of a volleyball. The wound channel, in diameter, was larger on some shots as compared to others. </p><p></p><p>All animals were killed using Sierra Match Kings in several calibers and weights rangeing from the 140 gr 6.5, 7mm-168 gr, the 200 and 220gr 3o cal and the 338--300 gr.</p><p></p><p>The 338--300 gr seems to be the most lethal of any I have used so far. </p><p></p><p>For instance at 1000 yards that bullet went into 2 deer on the same day, again a nice little entrance hole and the exit hole was honestly as big as a volley ball.</p><p></p><p>On the 2100 yard shot on the elk, the entrance hole was again very small and round like the bullet diameter, and the exit was that of a large grapfruit after it went through one shoulder.</p><p></p><p>I have stuck with the Sierra MK so far because of the success we have had with them. I know there are other bullets available, yours certainly, that will do a fine job but, with our success, we tend to stay with what has worked for us for many years.</p><p></p><p>Some of the above animals (deer) were killed</p><p>at close range (100 to 200 yards) with lessor cartridges but still using the Match Kings and with similar results.</p><p></p><p>We don't xray the wound channel in the field ,as you have done and have access to, but only take a visual check of the pieces and parts we are removing.</p><p></p><p>We also write down the temperture of each day we hunted as a comparison for later.</p><p></p><p>The angle of the shots are usually straight across the mountain but, that also varies.</p><p></p><p>That's all I can tell you concerning the actual kills we have made or the live tests on animals.</p><p></p><p>I can only say, the wounds have always been lethal, ugly and death was swift in most cases. A second shot is seldom needed but is required from time to time if we see the animal is down and still alive. </p><p></p><p>Darryl Cassel</p><p></p><p>PS: As an aside, most of us on this forum and others don't have the testing facility and equipment you have at your disposal. </p><p>Most of us don't have your knowledge and experiance concerning bullet performance either.</p><p></p><p>As you stated, you do this for a living and must be MORE exact then the average or even the above average LR hunter, by far. Much of your work goes to the Government and they have strick rules of engaugement to follow.</p><p></p><p>Most of us do not test (maybe we all should)</p><p>to any length each and every bullet we use other then getting the best accuarcy load performance we can from our rifles.</p><p></p><p>Your suggestions are very valid but, most will not or I should say can't go to the extent you must go to in testing performance. </p><p></p><p>A box of wet telephone books or papers or such, is a start though.</p><p></p><p>[ 01-24-2002: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Darryl Cassel, post: 1169, member: 34"] Hello Warren The only response I can make to your excellent suggestion on bullet performance is from actual killing of over 125 deer and 30 elk mostly by me on the deer and some of the elk by my friends hunting with me. My actual testing is field testing only and has been successful for me and the friends I hunt with. We used the poor animal as our first live test many years ago and it proved out to be very accurate over the years. In field dressing all of those animals, I have only had two bullets that were recovered from two of the elk. Each one of those bullets had gone through one shoulder and lodged itself just inside the hide on the other side of the elk. They entered the elk on a "facing away" slightly angle. The bullets were pealed back in four even segments and half of the lead core was still there. All the rest of the animals had small entrance bullet holes and large exit wounds from the size of a grapfruit to that of a volleyball. The wound channel, in diameter, was larger on some shots as compared to others. All animals were killed using Sierra Match Kings in several calibers and weights rangeing from the 140 gr 6.5, 7mm-168 gr, the 200 and 220gr 3o cal and the 338--300 gr. The 338--300 gr seems to be the most lethal of any I have used so far. For instance at 1000 yards that bullet went into 2 deer on the same day, again a nice little entrance hole and the exit hole was honestly as big as a volley ball. On the 2100 yard shot on the elk, the entrance hole was again very small and round like the bullet diameter, and the exit was that of a large grapfruit after it went through one shoulder. I have stuck with the Sierra MK so far because of the success we have had with them. I know there are other bullets available, yours certainly, that will do a fine job but, with our success, we tend to stay with what has worked for us for many years. Some of the above animals (deer) were killed at close range (100 to 200 yards) with lessor cartridges but still using the Match Kings and with similar results. We don't xray the wound channel in the field ,as you have done and have access to, but only take a visual check of the pieces and parts we are removing. We also write down the temperture of each day we hunted as a comparison for later. The angle of the shots are usually straight across the mountain but, that also varies. That's all I can tell you concerning the actual kills we have made or the live tests on animals. I can only say, the wounds have always been lethal, ugly and death was swift in most cases. A second shot is seldom needed but is required from time to time if we see the animal is down and still alive. Darryl Cassel PS: As an aside, most of us on this forum and others don't have the testing facility and equipment you have at your disposal. Most of us don't have your knowledge and experiance concerning bullet performance either. As you stated, you do this for a living and must be MORE exact then the average or even the above average LR hunter, by far. Much of your work goes to the Government and they have strick rules of engaugement to follow. Most of us do not test (maybe we all should) to any length each and every bullet we use other then getting the best accuarcy load performance we can from our rifles. Your suggestions are very valid but, most will not or I should say can't go to the extent you must go to in testing performance. A box of wet telephone books or papers or such, is a start though. [ 01-24-2002: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ] [/QUOTE]
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