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Talk me into or out of buying a suppressor, please.
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<blockquote data-quote="precisionshooter" data-source="post: 2983638" data-attributes="member: 123184"><p>Excellet questions. I will try to answer.</p><p></p><p>I do.</p><p></p><p>Yeah. SS has obliterated most of the independent businesses, so I am not surprised that there are not many independent dealers left.</p><p></p><p>Well, I agree with you, partly. Independent dealers who do the paper applications does sometimes have troubles with quality of fingerprints and/or photographs. While the feedback loop is no where as fast as digital, it is also not anywhere close to 9 months. Typically with paper if something does not match up, and the dealer maintains good relationship with the field office, they let the dealer correct the mistake and continue as usual.</p><p></p><p>No they don't. SS is mostly beneficial to dealers who does not have the finger print scanner and such. Otherwise SS has no authority to determine the legitimacy of the application or even the capability to check your application. They use the exact same backend that I use as an independent dealer. All they do it collect your prints, et all from their kiosk and use the Eforms API to upload the artifacts, exactly the same every independent dealer does. The Eforms API provides an immediate (most of the times) feedback of whether the print, photo, etc was accepted. If someone follows the paper application, then a human has to go through all that, that takes time.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really. Suppressors and such are controlled items. So your definition of barrier citing Walmart and similar retailers is not completely appropriate. That being said, for the companies I work with, if you buy from me, I work as their designated point of contact and I am contractually, ethically and financially obligated to support you and alleviate your concerns. You are of course free to talk to Thunderbeast (for example), but even if they want to directly work with you, they can't because of regulatory and logistic reasons. With SS, things become much more difficult. SS is not going to work with you directly and the dealers are not motivated to work with you for specifically the reasons I mentioned in my other post. On a similar note, if you buy some specialized equipment, say a paint sprayer, from an authorized dealer, the dealer is absolutely obligated to support you, and lots of times manufacturers will insist you go through the dealer for repairs and such.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I absolutely do not and most people like me do not. Supressors, guns, etc are serialized so there is requirement of chain of control that can't be maintained (especially for NFA items) between yourself and a manufacturer without the presence of a FFL (the paper, not the person). Even if we ignore the chain of control issue, no carrier would be willing to carry a declared weapon unless a FFL (the person, not the paper) is in a prior contract with them. I am intentionally not getting into the realm of shipping undeclared firearms/suppressors/etc as it is illegal and out of scope of this post.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I on the other hand, tell my customers, please bring it back to me. But if you want to talk to the manufacturer, you absolutely could. In that case, I would ask you to please let me know how I can support you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="precisionshooter, post: 2983638, member: 123184"] Excellet questions. I will try to answer. I do. Yeah. SS has obliterated most of the independent businesses, so I am not surprised that there are not many independent dealers left. Well, I agree with you, partly. Independent dealers who do the paper applications does sometimes have troubles with quality of fingerprints and/or photographs. While the feedback loop is no where as fast as digital, it is also not anywhere close to 9 months. Typically with paper if something does not match up, and the dealer maintains good relationship with the field office, they let the dealer correct the mistake and continue as usual. No they don't. SS is mostly beneficial to dealers who does not have the finger print scanner and such. Otherwise SS has no authority to determine the legitimacy of the application or even the capability to check your application. They use the exact same backend that I use as an independent dealer. All they do it collect your prints, et all from their kiosk and use the Eforms API to upload the artifacts, exactly the same every independent dealer does. The Eforms API provides an immediate (most of the times) feedback of whether the print, photo, etc was accepted. If someone follows the paper application, then a human has to go through all that, that takes time. Not really. Suppressors and such are controlled items. So your definition of barrier citing Walmart and similar retailers is not completely appropriate. That being said, for the companies I work with, if you buy from me, I work as their designated point of contact and I am contractually, ethically and financially obligated to support you and alleviate your concerns. You are of course free to talk to Thunderbeast (for example), but even if they want to directly work with you, they can't because of regulatory and logistic reasons. With SS, things become much more difficult. SS is not going to work with you directly and the dealers are not motivated to work with you for specifically the reasons I mentioned in my other post. On a similar note, if you buy some specialized equipment, say a paint sprayer, from an authorized dealer, the dealer is absolutely obligated to support you, and lots of times manufacturers will insist you go through the dealer for repairs and such. I absolutely do not and most people like me do not. Supressors, guns, etc are serialized so there is requirement of chain of control that can't be maintained (especially for NFA items) between yourself and a manufacturer without the presence of a FFL (the paper, not the person). Even if we ignore the chain of control issue, no carrier would be willing to carry a declared weapon unless a FFL (the person, not the paper) is in a prior contract with them. I am intentionally not getting into the realm of shipping undeclared firearms/suppressors/etc as it is illegal and out of scope of this post. I on the other hand, tell my customers, please bring it back to me. But if you want to talk to the manufacturer, you absolutely could. In that case, I would ask you to please let me know how I can support you. [/QUOTE]
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