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<blockquote data-quote="jon.henry755" data-source="post: 488221" data-attributes="member: 29115"><p>Hi Konrad,</p><p>Once again thank you for your help and input. If nothing else it clearly points to additional possibilities that are worth digging into. </p><p></p><p>I'll be very interested in hearing what comes back from Easton Archery on their <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Full Metal Jacket Dangerous Game shafts. My guess is that they've never tested these shafts with this particular crossbow, but that can always arranged and might be a very worth whiled test. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Like you, my Bitzenburger Jigs have the same 3 positions that you've outlined, however your nock receiver is only one of a number of receivers that Bitzenburger makes and sells. You are correct in that you are using the 75 x 105 position on the jig, but when you install the #3012 Nock Receiver it changes the rotational settings of that position to 60 x 120. PSE ordered 100 jigs from Bitzenburger with the #3012 Nock Receiver pre-installed. That's how we know exactly what they are using. The receicer is only about $15. each and anyone can order them direct or through Bowhunters.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Below From Bitzenburgers Website:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><strong>Bitzenburger Nock Receivers </strong></p><p></p><p> Bitzenburger interchangeable nock receivers are precisely indexed for 120 degrees 3 fletch, 90 degrees 4 fletch, 75 degrees x 105 degrees 4 fletch and 60 degrees x 120 degrees 4 fletch. Many models are available to match your fletching and shooting style. Nock receivers fit all Dial-O-Fletch jig frames.</p><p> <strong>Nock Receivers Available With Jig </strong></p><p> Cat #3000 Straight (or standard) Nock Receiver</p><p> Indexed at 120 degrees, 90 degrees and 75 degrees x 105 degrees</p><p> Recommended use: Straight Clamp </p><p> Cat #3002 Right Nock Receiver </p><p> Indexed at 120 degrees, 90 degrees and 75 degrees x 105 degrees</p><p> Recommended use: Right Wing Clamp</p><p> Cat #3004 Left Nock Receiver</p><p> Indexed at 120 degrees, 90 degrees and 75 degrees x 105 degrees</p><p> Recommended use: Left Wing Clamp</p><p> <strong>Optional Nock Receivers </strong></p><p> Cat #3006 TMStraight Nock Receiver</p><p> Indexed at 120 degrees for cock fletch up or down</p><p>Recommended use: Straight Clamp </p><p> Cat #3008 TMRight Nock Receiver</p><p>Indexed at 120 degrees for cock fletch up or down</p><p> Recommended use: Right Helical Clamp</p><p> Cat #3010 TMLeft Nock Receiver</p><p> Indexed at 120 degrees for cock fletch up or down</p><p> Recommended use: Left Helical Clamp</p><p> Cat #3012 60 x 120 Nock Receiver</p><p> Indexed at 60 degrees x 120 degrees 4 fletch (for maximum fletching clearance)</p><p> Recommended use: Any Clamp</p><p></p><p></p><p>The majority of the arrow flight problems that we've been discussing are not unique to the TAC arrows when using broadheads. I understand and agree totally with your comments about broadheads magnifying flight problems, but please keep in mind that what Supper 91 and I are describing to you are arrow to arrow flight inconsistencies with the 85 grain field points. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When you zero in at 60 yards with a single arrow, so you are centered on the bullseye (1" dot) at that distance you can either get same hole type accuracy with each shot (as long as you are shooting the same shaft) or very close to it, with the subsequent holes touching one another. As soon as you change to another arrow, the shots widen to 3" at 60 yards and they can spread to 6 to 9" at 100 yards. That would not be so surprising if the accuracy wasn't so solid with a single shaft and repeating the shots with only one shaft.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Can you imagine how ridiculous it sounds to be complaining about 3" groups at 60 yards with a crossbow? I guess you have to shoot a TAC 15 to understand it, but that's the deal.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, thanks for all your help and input. Friday is supposed to be very mild and no wind, so I'm planning on spending a good part of the day shooting and recording some of my results. I'll definitely look into the Whisker-biscuit sizing and trimming, since I don't have much experience with them as a rest. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm a Bodoodle fan and have shot the 535 for years. I use these rests for my hunting and 3-D competition bows, but I have other rests I prefer for competition set ups.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Regards,</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Jon</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jon.henry755, post: 488221, member: 29115"] Hi Konrad, Once again thank you for your help and input. If nothing else it clearly points to additional possibilities that are worth digging into. I'll be very interested in hearing what comes back from Easton Archery on their [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Full Metal Jacket Dangerous Game shafts. My guess is that they've never tested these shafts with this particular crossbow, but that can always arranged and might be a very worth whiled test. Like you, my Bitzenburger Jigs have the same 3 positions that you've outlined, however your nock receiver is only one of a number of receivers that Bitzenburger makes and sells. You are correct in that you are using the 75 x 105 position on the jig, but when you install the #3012 Nock Receiver it changes the rotational settings of that position to 60 x 120. PSE ordered 100 jigs from Bitzenburger with the #3012 Nock Receiver pre-installed. That's how we know exactly what they are using. The receicer is only about $15. each and anyone can order them direct or through Bowhunters. Below From Bitzenburgers Website: [/SIZE][/FONT][B]Bitzenburger Nock Receivers [/B] Bitzenburger interchangeable nock receivers are precisely indexed for 120 degrees 3 fletch, 90 degrees 4 fletch, 75 degrees x 105 degrees 4 fletch and 60 degrees x 120 degrees 4 fletch. Many models are available to match your fletching and shooting style. Nock receivers fit all Dial-O-Fletch jig frames. [B]Nock Receivers Available With Jig [/B] Cat #3000 Straight (or standard) Nock Receiver Indexed at 120 degrees, 90 degrees and 75 degrees x 105 degrees Recommended use: Straight Clamp Cat #3002 Right Nock Receiver Indexed at 120 degrees, 90 degrees and 75 degrees x 105 degrees Recommended use: Right Wing Clamp Cat #3004 Left Nock Receiver Indexed at 120 degrees, 90 degrees and 75 degrees x 105 degrees Recommended use: Left Wing Clamp [B]Optional Nock Receivers [/B] Cat #3006 TMStraight Nock Receiver Indexed at 120 degrees for cock fletch up or down Recommended use: Straight Clamp Cat #3008 TMRight Nock Receiver Indexed at 120 degrees for cock fletch up or down Recommended use: Right Helical Clamp Cat #3010 TMLeft Nock Receiver Indexed at 120 degrees for cock fletch up or down Recommended use: Left Helical Clamp Cat #3012 60 x 120 Nock Receiver Indexed at 60 degrees x 120 degrees 4 fletch (for maximum fletching clearance) Recommended use: Any Clamp The majority of the arrow flight problems that we've been discussing are not unique to the TAC arrows when using broadheads. I understand and agree totally with your comments about broadheads magnifying flight problems, but please keep in mind that what Supper 91 and I are describing to you are arrow to arrow flight inconsistencies with the 85 grain field points. When you zero in at 60 yards with a single arrow, so you are centered on the bullseye (1" dot) at that distance you can either get same hole type accuracy with each shot (as long as you are shooting the same shaft) or very close to it, with the subsequent holes touching one another. As soon as you change to another arrow, the shots widen to 3" at 60 yards and they can spread to 6 to 9" at 100 yards. That would not be so surprising if the accuracy wasn't so solid with a single shaft and repeating the shots with only one shaft. Can you imagine how ridiculous it sounds to be complaining about 3" groups at 60 yards with a crossbow? I guess you have to shoot a TAC 15 to understand it, but that's the deal. Again, thanks for all your help and input. Friday is supposed to be very mild and no wind, so I'm planning on spending a good part of the day shooting and recording some of my results. I'll definitely look into the Whisker-biscuit sizing and trimming, since I don't have much experience with them as a rest. I'm a Bodoodle fan and have shot the 535 for years. I use these rests for my hunting and 3-D competition bows, but I have other rests I prefer for competition set ups. Regards, Jon [/QUOTE]
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